The definition of socialism

@shallow-blue said
No. Completely the opposite.

I observe your witterings, and conclude from them that you are a Stalinist.

I am well aware - better aware than you, in fact- that Stalinism does not represent any kind of socialism, including communism.

Therefore, you are not a communist.

If you accept socialism is the transition from capitalism to communism then Stalinism was socialism that failed to make the full transition to communism. One could argue they are just taking their time with it, so Stalinism does represent socialism in that respect.

Socialism is the aspiration to reach communism. If communists are not allowed to transition then nobody is communist by your logic. Is the Communist Party of the United States of America a farce because none of them are communists? Was Charlie Chaplin blacklisted for nothing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA

@metal-brain said
If you accept socialism is the transition from capitalism to communism then Stalinism was socialism that failed to make the full transition to communism. One could argue they are just taking their time with it, so Stalinism does represent socialism in that respect.

Socialism is the aspiration to reach communism. If communists are not allowed to transition then nobody i ...[text shortened]... ? Was Charlie Chaplin blacklisted for nothing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA

What the hell are you jabbering on about now?

Either there is very little difference betwen socialism and communism, or socialism and communism are both transitional stages to anarchy.

@shavixmir said
What the hell are you jabbering on about now?

Either there is very little difference betwen socialism and communism, or socialism and communism are both transitional stages to anarchy.

Anarchy? That makes no sense.
Going to the far left leads to the far right? Are you drunk?

@metal-brain said
Anarchy? That makes no sense.
Going to the far left leads to the far right? Are you drunk?

Good grief. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Dialectic materialism.
Capitalism leads to friction. Friction leads to change. The ultimate state is anarchy, when laws are no longer needed.

Pick up a bloody book for once, instead of reading BS online and thinking you know stuff.

@shavixmir said
Good grief. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Dialectic materialism.
Capitalism leads to friction. Friction leads to change. The ultimate state is anarchy, when laws are no longer needed.

Pick up a bloody book for once, instead of reading BS online and thinking you know stuff.

LOL!
Project much?

Change lead to anarchy? LOL!
Not change!

Don't you want us to change our constitution? You are suggesting anarchy. LOL!

@metal-brain said
LOL!
Project much?

Change lead to anarchy? LOL!
Not change!

Don't you want us to change our constitution? You are suggesting anarchy. LOL!

You are completely ignorant of what anarchy means.

Perhaps you should do a but of reading?

@shavixmir said
You are completely ignorant of what anarchy means.

Perhaps you should do a but of reading?

I know exactly what anarchy means. No government. That is what you get the farther right you go. Communists are at the opposite side of the spectrum. Leftists want more government. Libertarians are the most like anarchists.

You don't know left from right. Perhaps you are oxygen deprived.

@metal-brain said
I know exactly what anarchy means. No government. That is what you get the farther right you go. Communists are at the opposite side of the spectrum. Leftists want more government. Libertarians are the most like anarchists.

You don't know left from right. Perhaps you are oxygen deprived.

Stop digging yourself into a hole.
Anarchy is the opposite of extreme right-wing politics.

Just fukking google anarchy or dialectic materialism. And stop acting like you know things, it’s obvious you’re retarded.

@metal-brain said
If you accept socialism is the transition from capitalism to communism then

...you limit yourself to one single definition of socialism, which is not universal and not, in fact, the earliest one.

Again, you let yourself be blinkered by your Putin/Stalinism.

@metal-brain said
If you accept socialism is the transition from capitalism to communism then Stalinism was socialism that failed to make the full transition to communism. One could argue they are just taking their time with it, so Stalinism does represent socialism in that respect.

Socialism is the aspiration to reach communism. If communists are not allowed to transition then nobody i ...[text shortened]... ? Was Charlie Chaplin blacklisted for nothing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA

Yes, Charlie Chaplin was blacklisted for nothing.

F--- Joe McCarthy.

@shavixmir said
What the hell are you jabbering on about now?

Either there is very little difference betwen socialism and communism, or socialism and communism are both transitional stages to anarchy.

I don't pretend to know these far-away weird philosophies, but I have always understood that socialism naturally leads to communism. After all, can we not agree that if AOC continued on her journey, that she would not stop with socialism? Of course she would not, sooo, what would be the next, the obvious, The Only, step??

@averagejoe1 said
I don't pretend to know these far-away weird philosophies, but I have always understood that socialism naturally leads to communism. After all, can we not agree that if AOC continued on her journey, that she would not stop with socialism? Of course she would not, sooo, what would be the next, the obvious, The Only, step??

Capitalism leads to socialism (communism) leads to communism (if you interpret it as a further developement) leads to anarchy.

@shavixmir said
Capitalism leads to socialism (communism) leads to communism (if you interpret it as a further developement) leads to anarchy.

You are saying here that socialism is Communism?? Who knew!

@averagejoe1 said
I don't pretend to know these far-away weird philosophies, but I have always understood that socialism naturally leads to communism. After all, can we not agree that if AOC continued on her journey, that she would not stop with socialism? Of course she would not, sooo, what would be the next, the obvious, The Only, step??

I don't agree with that.
Social can lead to communism, but does not always have to.

I see 2 motivations:
1 - the communists will transition to communism using socialism. That is the crux of your argument.
2 - that those will settle on socialism and go no further. I settle on this a little more. Communism will involve the elimination of capitalism. Socialism will not.
And right socialism is very good at living off the wealth that capitalism will create, and will not want to give that up. Every (or most) European country has a stock market.

@mghrn55 said
I don't agree with that.
Social can lead to communism, but does not always have to.

I see 2 motivations:
1 - the communists will transition to communism using socialism. That is the crux of your argument.
2 - that those will settle on socialism and go no further. I settle on this a little more. Communism will involve the elimination of capitalism. Socialism will not. ...[text shortened]... ill create, and will not want to give that up. Every (or most) European country has a stock market.

Our socialists are more rabid, don't you think? They will never stop their parasitic drive, like locusts, to cut everyone and everything to their knees. My opinion, they will not stop. And with all due respects and presence of mind, I say they will Never stop in their quest, their plans go out for generations, for 200 years. There will be no living off the wealth that capitalism will create, are you kidding?. So, they tell Bezos and Musk to go to work to support those living under socialism, while the actual socialists (a different part of society, the ones with caviar living up on the hill) manage everything, including Bezos and Musk. We know that aint happening, so it all falls down. Do you think the government will let me have 4 children, I want to have 4 children. Sick. And the libs here see all this as a good thing. Some of them work for rich people. Why dont you all tell your rich employers to go to hell , and stop working for them. Maybe I will start a thread on that.