20 Nov 08
Originally posted by shavixmirTry Spain,
Everywhere in the world they’re banning cigarette smoking in pubs and restaurants. Everywhere? Well, anywhere that counts…
And I just thought to myself: Yes. If you want to be a country that counts, you have to do as the rest does. It is good that the government scares people into obedience. Even here in Holland.
They have a smoking ban that everyone ignores too.
The English, of course, have been typically anal about it requiring stickers on windows saying "No smoking" and using threatening language. The definition of what constitutes a "room" seems a bit generous in the UK too. Idiots.
20 Nov 08
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Originally posted by Fleabitten[/b]I think the market is very responsive to demands without the need for government intervention.
Are you concerned at all that the government can and would ban a legal activity in a private establishment? In the U.S., I don't see it as a 'smokers rights' issue. Rather, why should the government be allowed to tell an owner of a private establishment what legal activities can and cannot occur in their place of business?
[b]People ar the establishment owner's choice as to whether or not they allow smoking in their facility.
Oh yeah, the market. The same heavenly market in which now the banks and the car factories are rescued? We've already seen what the unregulated market can achieve. Wise system, indeed.
I hope you and your grand, grand kids enjoy paying taxes in exchange for the wise market and how well it worked with mortgages and car factories.
why should the government be allowed to tell an owner of a private establishment what legal activities can and cannot occur in their place of business?
For the same logic other legal activities have to be regulated in many other places of business. For example, owning a gun and using it is legal, but not if you do it in a restaurant; for that you have to go hunting with a license or go to a shooting range. More? Sex is legal, but you are not allowed to go and shag in the middle of a restaurant, are you? Smoking is legal... you just have to go outside.
Remember: Homo homini lupus.
Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.
John Maynard Keynes
20 Nov 08
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Originally posted by SeitseThe current crisis was not caused by an unregulated market.
I think the market is very responsive to demands without the need for government intervention.
Oh yeah, the market. The same heavenly market in which now the banks and the car factories are rescued? We've already seen what the unregulated market can achieve. Wise system, indeed.
I hope you and your grand, grand kids enjoy paying taxes in exch ...[text shortened]... e most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.[/i]
John Maynard Keynes[/b]
By the same logic if people want to carry guns in a restaurant they should be able to, I bet everyone would be real polite. By the same logic if people want to go to a live sex bar or indeed restaurant they should be able to.
20 Nov 08
Originally posted by WheelyYeah Spain is good, I can respect their common sense there.
Try Spain,
They have a smoking ban that everyone ignores too.
The English, of course, have been typically anal about it requiring stickers on windows saying "No smoking" and using threatening language. The definition of what constitutes a "room" seems a bit generous in the UK too. Idiots.
In the UK, the smoking ban has contributed to a serious decline of the pub industry, now not only do the bar staff avoid breathing in smoke, now many don't even need to get out of bed in the morning.
I quit going to the cinema many years ago when they banned smoking there. The sanctimonius anti-choice fascists want us all to live the same over-long and boring lives that they obviously do.
What will the nanny state decide is not good for us next?
20 Nov 08
Originally posted by eamon oWe're in a reccession, ya know!
Yeah Spain is good, I can respect their common sense there.
In the UK, the smoking ban has contributed to a serious decline of the pub industry, now not only do the bar staff avoid breathing in smoke, now many don't even need to get out of bed in the morning.
I quit going to the cinema many years ago when they banned smoking there. The sanctimonius anti-c ...[text shortened]... ring lives that they obviously do.
What will the nanny state decide is not good for us next?
You should try the cinema again, it smells much better 😉
What will the nanny state do next? Well I hear obese parents are going to get paid vouchers to be exchanged for sport sesions for walking their kids to school. Haha!!
20 Nov 08
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Originally posted by WajomaGot something better for you, and, above everything, you don't have to read at all!
Keynes has some info one why and how the current crisis occurred? got a link?
Ok, I lied, you have to read something... Here's the SEC accepting that letting the market roam free caused chaos and mayhem...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/27/business/27sec.html?_r=1&em
When you're done with the video and finish reading the article, get a notebook and a pen, and write 100 times the phrase by Keynes that I posted earlier.
Let me know when you feel sparkle on the of your head.
20 Nov 08
Originally posted by SeitseNo really Seitse, what does Keynes have to say about the causes of the current crisis?
Got something better for you, and, above everything, you don't have to read at all!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzJmTCYmo9g
I've got a slow connection now, can't you offer a summary in your own words?
20 Nov 08
Originally posted by WajomaRead my edited post above.
No really Seitse, what does Keynes have to say about the causes of the current crisis?
I've got a slow connection now, can't you offer a summary in your own words?
Follow instructions.
Then get rid of the propaganda you may have in your head.
Repeat Keynes' phrase several times.
Wait for results and let me know.
You're welcome.
20 Nov 08
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Originally posted by Seitse
Oh yeah, the market. The same heavenly market in which now the banks and the car factories are rescued? We've already seen what the unregulated market can achieve. Wise system, indeed.
That's mixing apples and oranges, and you are smart enough to know it. We are speaking of the competitive market. If the demand is great enough for non-smoking eateries, then the market will, and has, filled it without the need for government intervention.
why should the government be allowed to tell an owner of a private establishment what legal activities can and cannot occur in their place of business?
For the same logic other legal activities have to be regulated in many other places of business. For example, owning a gun and using it is legal, but not if you do it in a restaurant; for that you have to go hunting with a license or go to a shooting range. More? Sex is legal, but you are not allowed to go and shag in the middle of a restaurant, are you? Smoking is legal... you just have to go outside.
Then by this logic the government should be able to tell restaurant owners that they can no longer serve fried foods or alcohol, since those also present a health risk to the consumer and, by extension, the general public.
20 Nov 08
Then by this logic the government should be able to tell restaurant owners that they can no longer serve fried foods or alcohol, since those also present a health risk to the consumer and, by extension, the general public.That is correct.
Of course, people should still be free to eat grease or booze in their homes, or somewhere else but the restaurants.
Nobody is making smoking illegal, dude, it's just being kicked from restaurants, and that is ok since the government's job is to procure the good of the community.
Non-smokers here, smokers there. Like fencing apart two rival hooligan groups inside a stadium 🙂
