@shavixmir saidYou suggest there were controlled explosions to take down these buildings but it wasn't a conspiracy?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/03/part_of_the_conspiracy_2.html
CNN reported that “another building was on fire and looks to be collapsing or has collapsed.”
The BBC reporter probably, picking up in that report, said it during her piece.
Take a stand back folks.
There’s a major disaster unfolding, buildings have come down in a major city, hijackers, pla ...[text shortened]... not mean a massive conspiracy, because I think the US government invited the planes in. Ridiculous.
Thousands of people would have needed to know about this and coordinate that effort. All of them would have been forced to secrecy or death. None of them would come forward with their story. And we don't even pretend to posit how they could have pulled it off in such conditions.
If that happened, why the coverup?
@wildgrass saidI totally agree.
You suggest there were controlled explosions to take down these buildings but it wasn't a conspiracy?
Thousands of people would have needed to know about this and coordinate that effort. All of them would have been forced to secrecy or death. None of them would come forward with their story. And we don't even pretend to posit how they could have pulled it off in such conditions.
If that happened, why the coverup?
The chances of it being an actual conspiracy are very low.
However, what I am saying, is that the chances of 3 buildings collapsing in on themselves when the structural damage is not at base level, seems to me, quite low. As I said, I am not an expert on the subject of demolition or structural integerity of buildings. And I do see why it could lead to conspiracy theories.
Now, in all honesty, the official report states it is caused by fire damage combined with how high rise buildings are built.
Roughly: airplane fuel (lots of it, just after take-off) mixed with the crashes dislodging fire proofing, built up massive heat, expanding the steel support structures to such an extent the floor falls down. This continues ever more so, and the building basically sags into itself.
The experts seem to concur this is what happened.
Okay. Let’s go with that. I don’t know enough to counter the experts.
But, what I do know, is that this then has to be a structural problem for a load of buildings built in the same period or using similar structural techniques. And if heat can expand the supporting beams to allow floors to crash in on themselves, it would be a potential hazard in many buildings and would have to be addressed.
So, a quick check should lead to counter heat-measures being applied to numerous buildings. Correct?
And if that’s not so, then there is something really fishy going on (probably not a conspiracy, but more in the lines of it costing too much money).
@shavixmir
You suggested explosives were used which is a conspiracy. What you don't want to admit is that the explosives were placed there before the buildings were hit by jets.
Placing explosives in just the right places takes days, not hours. Ask any controlled demolition expert.
https://www.dcclothesline.com/2019/09/05/university-of-alaska-fairbanks-study-definitively-concludes-fire-did-not-cause-building-7-collapse-on-9-11/
https://www.dcclothesline.com/2019/08/01/new-york-fire-commissioners-call-for-new-9-11-investigation-overwhelming-evidence-of-explosives/
Explosives were used so they had to export the evidence of it. China bought the scrap steel from the towers.
@metal-brain saidHow would I know?
@shavixmir
You suggested explosives were used which is a conspiracy. What you don't want to admit is that the explosives were placed there before the buildings were hit by jets.
I told you what it looked like to me. I told you what the experts say. And I gave you a way to attempt to verify what the experts were saying.
Me thinks I've done enough to help you along with this one, darling.
@shavixmir saidWhat experts? Who are these so called experts?
How would I know?
I told you what it looked like to me. I told you what the experts say. And I gave you a way to attempt to verify what the experts were saying.
Me thinks I've done enough to help you along with this one, darling.
What are their qualifications? Are they controlled demolition experts or lying politician experts? There is a difference ya know.
These are real experts:
https://www.ae911truth.org/wtc7
@metal-brain saidNo they're fukking not.
What experts? Who are these so called experts?
What are their qualifications? Are they controlled demolition experts or lying politician experts? There is a difference ya know.
These are real experts:
https://www.ae911truth.org/wtc7
Experts as in the experts who wrote the report that was commissioned. So people who know about buildings, structural integrity and all that sort of thing.
Stop calling right-wing morons experts.
@shavixmir saidThe people who wrote the report are lying politicians, not controlled demolition experts. I suppose you think the Warren Commission are experts on bullets, magic bullets. Now you have a magic steel building collapsing when no steel building has ever collapsed because of a mere office fire before.
No they're fukking not.
Experts as in the experts who wrote the report that was commissioned. So people who know about buildings, structural integrity and all that sort of thing.
Stop calling right-wing morons experts.
911 was the start of invasions of 2 countries, but Putin bad for invading 1. what did Iraq have to do with 911 again?
@metal-brain saidDon't be silly.
The people who wrote the report are lying politicians, not controlled demolition experts.
Politicians commission a report and the experts write it.
https://www.nist.gov/world-trade-center-investigation
https://www.nist.gov/world-trade-center-investigation/about-investigation/investigation-team-members
You are obviously or uninformed or deliberately lying.
Here's a summary of the findings:
https://www.asce.org/publications-and-news/civil-engineering-source/civil-engineering-magazine/issues/magazine-issue/article/2021/09/the-investigations-the-world-trade-center-towers
Importantly in the context of this thread:
NIST found no corroborating evidence for alternative hypotheses suggesting that the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition using explosives planted prior to September 11, 2001. NIST also did not find any evidence that missiles were fired at or hit the towers. Instead, photographs and videos from several angles clearly showed that the collapse initiated at the fire and impact floors and that the collapse progressed from the initiating floors downward, until the dust clouds obscured the view.
@shavixmir saidNow you are contradicting yourself again. You said they came down because of controlled demolition and the report says no. Do you want to revise your theory?
Don't be silly.
Politicians commission a report and the experts write it.
https://www.nist.gov/world-trade-center-investigation
https://www.nist.gov/world-trade-center-investigation/about-investigation/investigation-team-members
You are obviously or uninformed or deliberately lying.
Here's a summary of the findings:
https://www.asce.org/publications-and-new ...[text shortened]... pse progressed from the initiating floors downward, until the dust clouds obscured the view.[/quote]
"Politicians commission a report and the experts write it"
Did the Warren Commission let the experts write about the magic bullet?
Nobody believes that either.
@metal-brain saidI did not say they came down because of controlled demolition.
Now you are contradicting yourself again. You said they came down because of controlled demolition and the report says no. Do you want to revise your theory?
"Politicians commission a report and the experts write it"
Did the Warren Commission let the experts write about the magic bullet?
Nobody believes that either.
I said it looked that way to me, but that I am no expert, and can see how it breeds conspiracy theories.
Learn to fukking read.
@shavixmir saidOnly building 7 or the others too?
I did not say they came down because of controlled demolition.
I said it looked that way to me, but that I am no expert, and can see how it breeds conspiracy theories.
Learn to fukking read.
Building 7 looked like it for sure. Are you only talking about 7?
If the same sort of thing happened in Russia and they invaded 2 countries would you be as accepting of the Russian report as you are of the USA report? What if a key ally of Russia met with the hijackers? Are you aware of the Saudi connections?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/911-hijackers-video-saudi-intelligence-official-omar-al-bayoumi/
https://www.floridabulldog.org/2022/05/fbi-report-says-saudi-government-officials-provided-support-network-for-9-11-hijackers/
@shavixmir saidYou said you guessed it was controlled demolition and all 3 buildings.
Well, point 3 could be true. Not that it’s got anything to do with anything. There are sketchy CIA locations every-fukking-where.
And DGSE, MI6, FSB and MSS too. Indeed, the world’s like a huge Savoy nowadays.
Anyhoo..
Point 1: heard it before.
I can see why this fuels conspiracy theories. If I was to hazzard a guess, I would think that the buildings’ integrity were ...[text shortened]... ppened, the BBC reporter was probably talking about one of the buildings that had already collapsed.
You are wrong about point 2. I posted video of people warning the building was about to come down. It was also CNN as well as the BBC. Point 2 is a fact.
@metal-brain saidStop squealing like a raped pig, man.
You said you guessed it was controlled demolition and all 3 buildings.
You are wrong about point 2. I posted video of people warning the building was about to come down. It was also CNN as well as the BBC. Point 2 is a fact.
As I already stated, in an emergency situation all sorts of miscommunications happen. It’s not strange for false reporting to happen, or reporters, stuffed full of adrenaline, to tell what they just heard or exaggerate.
Maybe if you stepped out your bedroom, removed the tinfoil hat and looked around for once, you’d notice that things are always a bit messy.
In a situation where a car is on fire and shots are fired into the air, witnesses have a hard time agreeing on how many shots were fired and from which direction.
And from there on in, lots of exaggerations happen (windows blown out, doors kicked in, bodies, etc. ) .
In a situation like on 9-11, did you see it happen live? , everyone is an adrenaline fuelled cretin saying whatevers.
You think the US government is going to stage a terrorist attack of that scale, with the potential of killing 100.000 Americans, just to start a war?
How did they go to war with Iraq? A simple lie about WMD. False reporting, etc.
You don’t blow up a huge fukking area of one of your largest cities.
Dumb-fukkery if you think they would.
@shavixmir saidWatch the CNN video. You are in denial of facts again.
Stop squealing like a raped pig, man.
As I already stated, in an emergency situation all sorts of miscommunications happen. It’s not strange for false reporting to happen, or reporters, stuffed full of adrenaline, to tell what they just heard or exaggerate.
Maybe if you stepped out your bedroom, removed the tinfoil hat and looked around for once, you’d notice that thi ...[text shortened]... blow up a huge fukking area of one of your largest cities.
Dumb-fukkery if you think they would.
"You think the US government is going to stage a terrorist attack of that scale, with the potential of killing 100.000 Americans, just to start a war? "
Absolutely! They have planned these false flag events before. This is not new to them. Look up the USS Maine and Operation Northwoods. Why the hell would you think they would not do that? It is exactly their method of operation. Look up the Gulf of Tonkin incident too. It never happened.
@metal-brain saidUhuh.
Watch the CNN video. You are in denial of facts again.
"You think the US government is going to stage a terrorist attack of that scale, with the potential of killing 100.000 Americans, just to start a war? "
Absolutely! They have planned these false flag events before. This is not new to them. Look up the USS Maine and Operation Northwoods. Why the hell would you th ...[text shortened]... It is exactly their method of operation. Look up the Gulf of Tonkin incident too. It never happened.
You do realise the difference between those examples and deliberately destroying the centre of a metropolis, don’t you?
Never mind that Northwoods was rejected by politicians.
A better example for you to use in this is the Tuskegee experiment, by the way.
But even then, a long term study on blacks (bloody awful and people should be held responsible for that, even if you have to dig the bastards up just to bury them again) is a lot different than killing thousands in a city centre.
Keeping the lid on something like that is very difficult. And knowing if it ever came to light, there’d be so much fecal matter hitting so many fans, no government would ever deem that acceptable odds.
Not when a simple lie is enough to get the same ball rolling.