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02 Feb 05
02 Feb 05
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Originally posted by marinakatombWhat is untrue?
This is untrue. I don't know what propoganda you've been listening to but this is completely false. As a free person i retain the right to disagree with the US, but there is no hate there at all.
You oppose the removal of Saddam. Therefore you support the terrorists. Saddam is the chief of them.
Is it not evident that this thread is about exactly that?
You are for the people of Iraq or you are not.
You oppose the "war". Guess what. You therefore support the opposite, which is Saddam as he was and terror as it fights the current reality.
Your problem is you don't really believe in "yes - no" or "true - false"
You are a victim of the effort to "dumb down" civilization. There is a "yes-no" binary world. You just have to re-educate yourself. Sorry. That will be harder than you know. I did it, but I don't see you being able to do it.
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by StarValleyWy"Saddam is gone. Good.
"Saddam is gone.
Good. He was removed without my approval. Bad."
Correct 🙂
He was removed without my approval. Bad."
Incorrect. My approval doesn't count. What i was saying is that American approval doesn't count either. Only the Iraqi peoples.
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by StarValleyWyYou seem to be overlooking the elephant in the room.
Marin.
Sigh.
Yes or no? Before we go on. Answer the question. I ain't even going to read your blather until you recognize the basis of the thread. See the first post. Yes -- NO
Binary. Who cares how you "feel". Yes or no? World better off without Saddam. Miracles. There is a cause to every eventuality.
Is the world better off without Saddam? The only person I can think of that would answer NO to this question would be Saddam.
So a logical person would then ask - how do we get rid of him? See, that right there is the elephant that's trampling your carpet and pooping on your favorite lazy-boy.
The Iraq argument isn't about Saddam, it never has been. It's about procedure. What methods do we use to remove and or kill the evil bastard? That's the question...
Some people agree with the policies of President Bush regarding Iraq, some don't. I'm not sure what your argument is? You seem to be saying that if someone agrees that Saddam is a bad guy then they should fall in line with the Bush administration and support whatever action they take? "IF" that's what you're saying then I must disagree.
02 Feb 05
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Originally posted by wibAnd you are believing in the "miracle".
You seem to be overlooking the elephant in the room.
Is the world better off without Saddam? The only person I can think of that would answer NO to this question would be Saddam.
So a logical person would then ask - how do we get rid ...[text shortened]... "IF" that's what you're saying then I must disagree.
How was he removed?
Not "how could he have eventually maybe with a lot of luck and good talk and maybe some pixie dust" have been removed.
Reality. See the title of the thread. We don't deal in magic or miracles.
What DID happen?
The past is dead. Let's deal with reality. Shall we?
By the way. Nice dodge. You too have not the courage to answer Yes-No.
Why is that? Chimp pride? Or do you really support the terrorists?
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by StarValleyWyYour not being fair here. Wib has hit the nail square on the head. I would like George Bush to be removed but i wouldn't give my support for the use of Nucleur weapons. Does that mean i support George Bush? Certainly not.
And you are believing in the "miracle".
How was he removed?
Not "how could he have eventually maybe with a lot of luck and good talk and maybe some pixie dust" have been removed.
Reality. See the title of the thread. We don't deal in magic or miracles.
What DID happen?
The past is dead. Let's deal with reality. Shall we?
By the ...[text shortened]... courage to answer Yes-No.
Why is that? Chimp pride? Or do you really support the terrorists?
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by marinakatombSo why are you still opposing the "removal of Saddam"?
[b]"Saddam is gone. Good.
Correct 🙂
He was removed without my approval. Bad."
Incorrect. My approval doesn't count. What i was saying is that American approval doesn't count either. Only the Iraqi peoples. [/b]
There is the miracle that is the subject of the thread.
You think it's wonderful that they are free but oppose the action that freed them.
A miracle. You are for it and against it.
You are for freedom but for slavery.
I just don't get it.
It is binary. Or you tell me how it is not. And don't forget that this is where your education failed you. You may actually have to resort to a private place for a moment or two and think it through. You can even use a pencil and paper. That is legal. Write down. Saddam - yes or no.
Circle one. Then try to reason your reply. As per this thread. It is a miracle if you get people to the polls on last Sunday without Bush.
Miracles. Religion. Blind thought. Lefties.
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by StarValleyWyOk, form your argument into a logically correct string and i'll draw up a truth table. I with hold the right to disprove any logically incorrect strings though so word it carefully.
So why are you still opposing the "removal of Saddam"?
There is the miracle that is the subject of the thread.
You think it's wonderful that they are free but oppose the action that freed them.
A miracle. You are for it and against it.
You are for freedom but for slavery.
I just don't get it.
It is binary. Or you tell me how it is ...[text shortened]... people to the polls on last Sunday without Bush.
Miracles. Religion. Blind thought. Lefties.
02 Feb 05
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Originally posted by marinakatombWow.
Ok, form your argument into a logically correct string and i'll draw up a truth table. I with hold the right to disprove any logically incorrect strings though so word it carefully.
I can hardly wait.
Saddam
Node 1 = Yes
Node 2 = No
Can you handle it? Without a miracle? Careful. No = Bush.
Did I ever tell you that I am probably the only person alive who wept because Bertrand Russell and truth tables were swept under the rug? I was. I did. Sad. But it seemed to make sense when I was a kid. Poor "King Of France". Alas.
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by StarValleyWyNo that's not what i mean't. I mean't something like this...
Wow.
I can hardly wait.
Saddam
Node 1 = Yes
Node 2 = No
Can you handle it? Without a miracle? Careful. No = Bush.
Premiss: Saddam Hussain is preventing the Iraqi people from being free.
Logical argument...
If George Bush removed Saddam Hussain then the Iraqi people must be free.
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by StarValleyWy1 - Yes, the world is probably better off without Saddam.
Is that "The World Is Better Off Without Saddam"
then "But... it was wrong to remove him."
Think of it. A real miracle. Two supposedly true statements that are mutually exclusive.
Which is it?
It can't be both. That would be a miracle. This miracle can best be said as "The Removal Of Saddam Didn't Require The War"
I call it the ...[text shortened]... ng you support the terrorists over the people of Iraq as demonstrated for the world last Sunday.
2 - Can't argue with that.
3 - False. The answer to 1 is not actually a choice between two values. Instead one must pick a point on a scale that goes from "the world is infinitely worse without Saddam" on one end and "the world is infinitely better without Saddam" on the other. In addition, one must choose a point on a similar scale, but judgin the attack on Iraq. Combining the two choices, one can make a new scale, that adds the (probably negative) value of the war with the value of removing Saddam.
Your claim that anyone opposing the war in Iraq supports terrorists is stupid.
02 Feb 05
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Originally posted by marinakatombDo you really think that you can get out of answering such a simple poser?
No that's not what i mean't. I mean't something like this...
Premiss: Saddam Hussain is preventing the Iraqi people from being free.
Logical argument...
[b]If George Bush removed Saddam Hussain then the Iraqi people must be free.[/b]
Saddam:
Yes
No
Circle one. If it seems that I am being mean, think about the title of the thread. You can either have him or not. There is no inbetween. Miracles allow both to be circled. Sigh. No miracles. Choose.
Binary.
Please answer Yes or No. Thanks. Sigh. Arguing with children is tiresome. Without an education or some semblance of self intelect, they just plain ain't up to the intellectual challenge.
02 Feb 05
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyBinary doesn't work in a vaccum man. Of course my answer is 2.NO, but you can draw nothing from that as logically you have asked me nothing. If you are attempting to use logic, you must make a statement with at least one logical connective, ie,
Do you really think that you can get out of answering such a simple poser?
Saddam:
Yes
No
Circle one. If it seems that I am being mean, think about the title of the thread. You can either have him or not. There is no inbetw ...[text shortened]... intelect, they just plain ain't up to the intellectual challenge.
if jane is tall, then she can reach the top shelf.
In order for your question to answered in such a way, you need to form the question correctly, with a premiss and a conclusion that can be evaluated as true or false.
EDIT:BTW, i've said No twice now. Please don't insult my considerable intelligence with 'Arguing with children is tiresome. Without an education or some semblance of self intelect, they just plain ain't up to the intellectual challenge'. There's no need to be rude. Do you want to chat or just insult me all the time?
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by marinakatombIt works in MY thread where the subject is Binary in nature. Answer or get the hell out as a failure and a coward who can't decide.
Binary doesn't work in a vaccum man. Of course my answer is 2.NO, but you can draw nothing from that as logically you have asked me nothing. If you are attempting to use logic, you must make a statement with at least one logical connective, ie,
[b]if jane is tall, then she can reach the top shelf.
In order for your question to answere ...[text shortened]... the question correctly, with a premiss and a conclusion that can be evaluated as true or false.[/b]
Yes
No
Circle one. Or tell me the answer to the miracle. "Elections occured in Iraq on Sunday last because..." What? What miracle did it if not Bush?
02 Feb 05
Originally posted by StarValleyWyIf you'd asked a question, like do you support Saddam? Yes or NO then i could answer no.
It works in MY thread where the subject is Binary in nature. Answer or get the hell out as a failure and a coward who can't decide.
Yes
No
Circle one. Or tell me the answer to the miracle. "Elections occured in Iraq on Sunday last because..." What? What miracle did it if not Bush?
Saddam? Yes or No ISN'T A QUESTION. Your just trying to bate me into saying yes or no to some imaginary thing that you'll bring up after. Im not that stupid im afraid.
02 Feb 05
BTW, you never answered this post...
Your not being fair here. Wib has hit the nail square on the head. I would like George Bush to be removed but i wouldn't give my support for the use of Nucleur weapons. Does that mean i support George Bush? Certainly not.
What do you say to that?
If you asked me
George Bush?
Yes or No. What would yes mean? I support him? Perhaps it means i hate him? Perhaps it's a stupid question!