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AThousandYoung
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Let's give nations a Machoness value from 1-10. This measures the "toughness", "fighting spirit" etc of the nation. It's about attitude, not technology.

The French as seen from a stereotypical American conservative perspective would have a 1. I'm not saying they ARE a 1, but that gives you a reference point. Israel and Iran might be 10s (or maybe not; you tell me).

I'll give my country, the USA, an 8.

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Canada 5

They'll sort of let you slap them around for a while, letting it build up, and then they'll really kick your ass.

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USA. 7.654
Britain. 6.543
South Korea. 5.432
New Zealand. 4.321
France. 3.210
Belgium. 0

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
The French as seen from a stereotypical American conservative perspective would have a 1.
Let's see: the French Revolution--the people taking on the system; fighting alone against the whole of Europe after that; skip to World War One: Verdun...World War 2: the Free French and the maquis...(won't dwell on Vietnam or other disgraceful colonial affairs)...and lately, telling the USA to stuff off...a country that lets itself get pushed around?

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Let's see: the French Revolution--the people taking on the system; fighting alone against the whole of Europe after that; skip to World War One: Verdun...World War 2: the Free French and the maquis...(won't dwell on Vietnam or other disgraceful colonial affairs)...and lately, telling the USA to stuff off...a country that lets itself get pushed around?
I think surrendering in like 6 weeks was a pretty weak response. That qualifies as getting pushed around. As for the French resistance, we can't give them credit for that without also giving the British credit for their part in helping the French Resistance. That and there was as many French that helped the Nazi as there was that resisted.

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Originally posted by Merk
I think surrendering in like 6 weeks was a pretty weak response.
Except De Gaulle didn't surrender and carried on fighting. So, the incumbent government was rubbish, but you can't extend the criticism to all the French. Like Chamberlain got pushed around in Munich, Churchill didn't.

There were Nazi sympathisers in every occupied country. I'll bet there were royalists among the yankees in revolutionary times too.

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Except De Gaulle didn't surrender and carried on fighting. So, the incumbent government was rubbish, but you can't extend the criticism to all the French. Like Chamberlain got pushed around in Munich, Churchill didn't.

There were Nazi sympathisers in every occupied country. I'll bet there were royalists among the yankees in revolutionary times too.
I'm sorry. France surrendered. France got pushed around.

There was once a time when France could rightfully call itself brave.

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Originally posted by Merk
I'm sorry. France surrendered. France got pushed around.

There was once a time when France could rightfully call itself brave.
You're an interesting guy--such insight into some things, such a moron in other respects.

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Originally posted by Merk
I'm sorry. France surrendered. France got pushed around.

There was once a time when France could rightfully call itself brave.
Aussies would surely get an 8.7 on Merks scale. They have been punching above their weight for about as long as anyone can remember.

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Except De Gaulle didn't surrender and carried on fighting. So, the incumbent government was rubbish, but you can't extend the criticism to all the French. Like Chamberlain got pushed around in Munich, Churchill didn't.

There were Nazi sympathisers in every occupied country. I'll bet there were royalists among the yankees in revolutionary times too.
Pffff....De Gaulle. The entire French nation took to German occupation like a duck to water and happily collaberated with them. Then, after they were liberated, EVERY FRENCHAN over the age of 12 was suddenly a member of "le resistance' and had been a undercover freedom fighter, while they bravely shaved the heads of women that consorted with German soldiers.

But they let Maurice Chevalier and other entertainers off the hook alright. He entertained German troops all through the occupation.


As far as English loyalists in the American revolution, yes, in fact a majority of the colonists remained loyal to England during the revolutionary war, a little known fact. It's a miracle they succeded.

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Originally posted by Sam The Sham
Pffff....De Gaulle. The entire French nation took to German occupation like a duck to water and happily collaberated with them. Then, after they were liberated, EVERY FRENCHAN over the age of 12 was suddenly a member of "le resistance' and had been a undercover freedom fighter, while they bravely shaved the heads of women that consorted with German sold ...[text shortened]... r entertainers off the hook alright. He entertained German troops all through the occupation.
Are you going to make some kind of crack that he was also a latent pedophile what with that song about thanking heaven for little girls and all that?

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Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Let's give nations a Machoness value from 1-10. This measures the "toughness", "fighting spirit" etc of the nation. It's about attitude, not technology.

The French as seen from a stereotypical American conservative perspective would have a 1. I'm not saying they ARE a 1, but that gives you a reference point. Israel and Iran might be 10s (or maybe not; you tell me).

I'll give my country, the USA, an 8.
Mexico 10 out of 10

We coined the term 😉

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Originally posted by kmax87
Are you going to make some kind of crack that he was also a latent pedophile what with that song about thanking heaven for little girls and all that?
tee-hee....reminds me of an old Saturday Night Live skit where they parodied Chevalier, where prisoners did a talent show:

Thank heaven, for little girls, for little girls turn into 10 year olds someday:

And wear zee pretty pink panties, and walk down zee lonely alleys,

Then one of them them jumped on a cameraman

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Originally posted by Merk
USA. 7.654
Britain. 6.543
South Korea. 5.432
New Zealand. 4.321
France. 3.210
Belgium. 0
Belgium: 5,
We lose most of our wars, but that's because we tend to be overrun by countries 10 times our size.

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Originally posted by Barts
Belgium: 5,
We lose most of our wars, but that's because we tend to be overrun by countries 10 times our size.
That makes you cowards, didn't you know. I'm sure the Vietnamese also rate as cowards.

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