28 Nov 05
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Originally posted by rwingettThere is nothing wrong with investing in the state as long as it,
If the people are to take more responsibility for themselves, then it follows that they should invest less responsibility in the state. The state exists solely as an agent to perpetuate the supposed legality of the capitalist system. What is needed is for the people to run society by and for themselves without a hierarchical and exploitative state/corporate ...[text shortened]... hoices will be for and of themselves.
Hmmm...I wonder what system that could be? Any takers?
in turn, empowers its people.
The state exists to serve its people, capitalism is one of the tools
that it uses to maintain economic growth.
My point is that the capitalist knife has become blunted by waste
and incongruence to reason. It needs to either be sharpened or thrown out.
The state needs to be closely monitored as people worldwide are
not satisfied that it is really acting in their best interests.
Wars are always a good time to examine the true motives of the
state.
If anarchy is to be the next tool so be it but it's always best to try
and work with the tools you have first.
28 Nov 05
Originally posted by Thequ1ckWork with the tools you have first?
There is nothing wrong with investing in the state as long as it,
in turn, empowers its people.
The state exists to serve its people, capitalism is one of the tools
that it uses to maintain economic growth.
My point is that the capitalist knife has become blunted by waste
and incongruence to reason. It needs to either be sharpened or thrown out.
...[text shortened]... be the next tool so be it but it's always best to try
and work with the tools you have first.
People have been trying to reform capitalism for 120+ years. What gains were made during the era of union activism are rapidly being undone. Despite some flowery rhetoric, the state has never acted in the best interests of the people. Every gain by the people came despite opposition from the state. The purpose of the state is the preservation of the status quo for the ruling elite.
All hierarchical systems tend to be self-perpetuating, with the preservation of their own hierarchical status as the ultimate goal of the system.
29 Nov 05
Originally posted by Thequ1ckcapitalist knife has become blunted by waste
There is nothing wrong with investing in the state as long as it,
in turn, empowers its people.
The state exists to serve its people, capitalism is one of the tools
that it uses to maintain economic growth.
My point is that the capitalist knife has become blunted by waste
and incongruence to reason. It needs to either be sharpened or thrown out.
...[text shortened]... be the next tool so be it but it's always best to try
and work with the tools you have first.
and incongruence to reason. It needs to either be sharpened or thrown out.
Hey man you're psuedophisticating out on us, try some English, or clarify your obscure analogies.
30 Nov 05
Originally posted by Thequ1ckMaybe you should call it the BoogeyMan or the Left-Wing's Equivalent of Don Quixote's Windmills.
The Self-Devouring Magpie is not a bird, as its name implies, but is indeed a pie. It has an incredibly short shelf-life, about three-and-a-half seconds (on average), due to the pie spontaneously consuming itself the moment it is out of the oven, until it has disappeared completely.
A good description for Capitalism wouldn't you agree?
01 Dec 05
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Originally posted by rwingettThere's a definite hint of anarchy in your post.
Work with the tools you have first?
People have been trying to reform capitalism for 120+ years. What gains were made during the era of union activism are rapidly being undone. Despite some flowery rhetoric, the state has never acted in the best interests of the people. Every gain by the people came despite opposition from the state. The purpose of the ...[text shortened]... ting, with the preservation of their own hierarchical status as the ultimate goal of the system.
Is it possible then to have a state run by anarchy?
As you say, if the ruling elite are removed, they will only
be replaced by more of the same.
Surely the only solution is to implement a philosophy for
the people that recognises the importance of their choices
on a global scale and enables them to use modern technology
to communicate and act democratically.
I think this will inevitably happen anyway as the world opens
up which is why the ruling elite are cashing in massively now.
01 Dec 05
Originally posted by zeeblebotMy philosophy is not about needing and wanting to do something,
don your mao jackets, all ....
thequick, why not start your own commune or join an existing one?
it is quite the opposite.
It is about recognising the opportunities for greed that we are presented with and understanding how they impact our rights and
liberties on a global scale.
It's a kind of deadweight philosophy centred on not budging.
01 Dec 05
Originally posted by rwingettYes. That's a republic. Juxtaposed with a republic, democracy appears socialist, similar to the waters in which the US finds itself currently.
What is needed is for the people to run society by and for themselves without a hierarchical and exploitative state/corporate apparatus.
Hmmm...I wonder what system that could be? Any takers?
Capitalism is the only sustainable system. Imbalance occurs when other systems are brought into the mix, i.e., subsidies, excessive taxation, government sponsored x-y-z, and etc. A free society must have a free market, free of overt government intervention and/or assistance.
As stated on this thread, the government exists by the will of the people, not the other way around. With the tail wagging the dog, we be in trouble.