29 Jan 05
Originally posted by StarValleyWyGOD is not hiding,you are trying to hide from HIM. HE is avalible for each and everyone that wishes to know HIM. HE rejects no one. Man has only rejected HIM.
Sigh.
The only word of god. Now if only there was a god. Sigh.
Did you ever think of what it means if god is a big old fake? A silly con game?
Then the word of god is what?
Let me ask a question.
Why is god hiding?
What does it gain us? Or what does it gain him?
Why this con game for money run by people who know a sucker when they see one?
29 Jan 05
Originally posted by blindfaith101Really?
GOD is not hiding,you are trying to hide from HIM. HE is avalible for each and everyone that wishes to know HIM. HE rejects no one. Man has only rejected HIM.
What did we do to reject him? Seriously. I have always tried to keep an open mind. I listen to all parts of my existence. What did I do to hurt him?
More to the point... don't you think it strange that a being who creates a billion billion stars is paranoid. Rejected indeed. Poor little master of the universe.
It's almost like he is the embodiment of a whole bunch of crazy little followers. You wouldn't happen to know about that? Would you?
29 Jan 05
Originally posted by blindfaith101There is no 'THE BIBLE.' There are editions of texts
If you have ever read THE BIBLE, how did you read it? As a novel? A book of curiosity? Or a book seeking understanding? Or for whatever reason?
that were compiled by humans.
There are many different versions of each text.
Your 'THE BIBLE' is not necessarily the same as my
'THE BIBLE' which is not necessarily the same as
the non-existant original text.
And, if you've read my posts, I have read several
different translations of the book known as the Bible,
but I make no claim that it is THE BIBLE, as you do,
because such claims are demonstrably false.
Nemesio
29 Jan 05
I'll open the challenge. RB is speechless. Tied up in a deep conversation with God no doubt. Wondering if it his will to actually think.
So to the rest of you silly turds who are propelling RB into the Usama like heights of stupidness...
Any of you. Any at all or all at once. Here is the challenge. Why would God create a universe in which simple beings are born, and in being born are supposed to give up the most valuable gift they have? Their Brains?
Why is it requisite to stop thinking in order to be god like?
My theory is that it is because god is an escaped criminal nut case.
Prove me wrong. If you dare.
29 Jan 05
Originally posted by StarValleyWyWhen you disobey any of GOD'S commands,you reject HIM. When we disobeyed GOD, from the time of the garden of eden, until now we have hurt HIM. There is a war going on in the Spiritual Ream between GOD and satan. And we took satan's side. Do you not think, that hurt GOD.
Really?
What did we do to reject him? Seriously. I have always tried to keep an open mind. I listen to all parts of my existence. What did I do to hurt him?
More to the point... don't you think it strange that a being who creates a billion billion stars is paranoid. Rejected indeed. Poor little master of the universe.
It's almost like he is ...[text shortened]... of a whole bunch of crazy little followers. You wouldn't happen to know about that? Would you?
We all have done wrong in our life, both planned and unplanned.We have all done things that we knew were wrong, without thinking about how GOD felt about it.
And all those billion apon billion stars are looking on to see, how GOD, handles the rebellion of man and satan. GOD is aware of how and what HIS enemies are saying and doing. HE is going to react in HIS anger, but we all get an opportunity to understand the difference, between right and wrong.
29 Jan 05
Originally posted by NemesioWhat does THE BIBLE mean to you
There is no 'THE BIBLE.' There are editions of texts
that were compiled by humans.
There are many different versions of each text.
Your 'THE BIBLE' is not necessarily the same as my
'THE BIBLE' which is not necessarily the same as
the non-existant original text.
And, if you've read my posts, I have read several
different translations of ...[text shortened]... o claim that it is THE BIBLE, as you do,
because such claims are demonstrably false.
Nemesio
29 Jan 05
Originally posted by StarValleyWyGOD created man with the ability to think, to reason, to understand. There is more going on in the universe, then you or I can really understand. True there are those that are not using their brains and cannot understand what is going on in the world arround them. There are those who are self centered on their own thoughts and opinions. Then there are those whose thoughts, are about why are things the way they are. We all have our own thoughts, on what is the most, valuable gift that we have been given, Life.Yes GOD did create life to be simple, but........And I found that though God has made men upright, each has turned away to follow his own downward road. ECCLESIASTES 7:29 TLB
I'll open the challenge. RB is speechless. Tied up in a deep conversation with God no doubt. Wondering if it his will to actually think.
So to the rest of you silly turds who are propelling RB into the Usama like heights of stupidness...
Any of you. Any at all or all at once. Here is the challenge. Why would God create a universe in which simple ...[text shortened]... heory is that it is because god is an escaped criminal nut case.
Prove me wrong. If you dare.
Then God said, "Let us make a man- someone like ourselves, to be the master of all life upon the earth and in the skies and in the seas." So God made man like his maker. Like God did God make man; GENESIS 1:27 TLB
The woman was convinced. How lovely and fresh looking it was! And it would make her so wise! So she ate some of the fruit and gave some to her husband, and he ate it too. And as they ate it, suddenly they became aware of their nakedness, and were embarrassed. So they strung fig leaves together to cover themselves around the hips. GENESIS 3:6,7
29 Jan 05
Originally posted by blindfaith101There is no answer to this question because
What does THE BIBLE mean to you
there is no 'THE BIBLE,' like you like to believe.
There are translations of texts which compose
'A BIBLE,' but, as we have found, different people
value different sources and, as such, have different
understandings of NT theo-philosophy.
Nemesio
29 Jan 05
Originally posted by Nemesiohow distorted the 'recorded' words and deeds of Jesus, must indeed be, if even his skin color has been so blatantly misrepresented. He was as of a 'black' man yet tell me of a church ANYWHERE in the US that depicts him as he truly was - as a 'BLACK'.
There is no answer to this question because
there is no 'THE BIBLE,' like you like to believe.
There are translations of texts which compose
'A BIBLE,' but, as we have found, different people
value different sources and, as such, have different
understandings of NT theo-philosophy.
Nemesio
the simpleton reply is always, 'skin colour doesn't matter'.....ok, if it doesn't matter - WHY THE DISTORTION THEN?
can 'The Word' be trusted if the 'Visuals' are all wrong?
29 Jan 05
Originally posted by TinorangatiratangaUm. If by 'black' you mean 'African,' this is not true.
how distorted the 'recorded' words and deeds of Jesus, must indeed be, if even his skin color has been so blatantly misrepresented. He was as of a 'black' man yet tell me of a church ANYWHERE in the US that depicts him as he truly was - as a 'BLACK'.
the simpleton reply is always, 'skin colour doesn't matter'.....ok, if it doesn't mat ...[text shortened]... - WHY THE DISTORTION THEN?
can 'The Word' be trusted if the 'Visuals' are all wrong?
If by 'black' you mean 'not Caucasian' then you are right.
He was of Hassidic descent, by all accounts, and would have
had the sort of swarthy Arabic-Jewish skin type that we see
amongst native Palestinians and Jews.
Nemesio
29 Jan 05
Originally posted by blindfaith101Congratulations on your life choices. They are very becoming for a close-minded sheep like yourself. You have chosen to become a part of a collective and cast off your individuality. You have chosen to forsake science, god's most impressive creation, for a life of ignorance. You have chosen to blindly believe, here's the rub, your CULT LEADER (a.k.a. your youth pastor, or what have you) and his brethren, and not the Word of God, as you preach. You follow the teachings of subverted men, not the God of Israel.
I chose to believe that, THE BIBLE is the only WORD OF GOD. I choose to accept JESUS CHRIST as my SAVIOR. I chose to have absolute faith in THE WORD OF GOD,without question. I have done my personal search of THE BIBLE. I have seen some of things that others disagreed with. But I saw something within myself, sin. I also saw something else, The fogiveness of THE CREATOR, GOD
Congratulations, BS101. You can see how we're all very envious of you.
29 Jan 05
Originally posted by Nemesiobeg to differ, you will need to be historically correct here (as you actually skirt around & away from the base debate😉 )
Um. If by 'black' you mean 'African,' this is not true.
If by 'black' you mean 'not Caucasian' then you are right.
He was of Hassidic descent, by all accounts, and would have
had the sort of swarthy Arabic-Jewish skin type that we see
amongst native Palestinians and Jews.
Nemesio
there had been very little mixed (as in 'color'😉 marriages to 2000yrs ago. The Palestinians and Jews have been considerably 'lightened' by intermarriage to 'white' Cauacasians in the intervening 80- 100 generations - the lineage lines are not 'pure'.
Jesus was of Arab descent AND in his day most of the 'concubines' came from East Africa - he was 'BLACK', no 'ifs, buts or maybes'. 🙂
I'm happy with that, but I am interested in why you resist such a simple 'truth'- would such an admission sway your belief?
29 Jan 05
Out of order:
I'm happy with that, but I am interested in why you resist such a simple 'truth'- would such an admission sway your belief?
In terms of 'faith' it makes no difference to me whether Jesus
was white, black, or purple with green polka-dots. Any 'admission'
I would make would be of purely historical interest.
Anyone who would choose to follow or not follow Jesus on the basis
of skin color wouldn't be a Christian in the first place.
Jesus was of Arab descent AND in his day most of the 'concubines' came from East Africa - he was 'BLACK', no 'ifs, buts or maybes'. 🙂
This is not a widely held position. Could you perhaps give me a
scholarly source for this claim? The Semites were an insular
group; interracial marriage was widely held as taboo.
Early paintings by Jews depict them similarly to the way we
see pure Semite and Arabic strains today: dark-skinned, but
not African.
They recently did a forensic restoration of a skull of a 1st
century Jewish person on the History channel (or CNN, I can't
remember). The person looked 'Semetic,' not 'African.'
In contrast to your claim, please confer with this article which
points to an Arabic, olive-skinned, non-African Jesus.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3958241.stm
Nemesio
30 Jan 05
Originally posted by Nemesio"In pictures and portraits of Christ by the early Christians he is uniformly represented as being black. To make this more certain a red tinge is given to the lips; and the only test in the Christian bible quoted by orthodox Christians as describing his complexion represents it as being black.
Out of order:
[b]I'm happy with that, but I am interested in why you resist such a simple 'truth'- would such an admission sway your belief?
In terms of 'faith' it makes no difference to me whether Jesus
was white, black, or purple with green polka-dots. Any 'admission'
I would make would be of purely historical interest.
Anyone who wo ...[text shortened]... kinned, non-African Jesus.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3958241.stm
Nemesio[/b]
Solomon's declaration, I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem' (Sol, I, 5), is often cited as referring to Christ. According to the bible itself, then, Jesus Christ was a black man. Let us suppose that at some future time he makes his second advent to the earth, as some Christians anticipate he will do, and that he comes in the character of a sable messiah, how would he be received by our Negro hating Christians of sensitive olfactory nerves. Would they worship a Negro God?
The question might arise in the mind of the reader: "Well, the argument of Kersey Graves sounds plausible enough, but really we need a great deal more corroborative evidence before we can give his conclusions more than palling notice?" This question, the writer believes, is justified. In questions of historical controversy only the most careful consideration of evidence should satisfy us.
To say that the early pictures and images of the Virgin Mary and the infant Jesus represent them with black complexions is not enough. Our statement must be backed up by archaeological evidence. This evidence, fortunately, was collected by the Great British Orientalist, Sir Godfrey Higgins, and has been preserved for posterity in his monumental work, The Anacalypsis, or An Inquiry into the Origin of Languages, Nations and Religions.
Sir Godfrey Higgins informs us that "In all the Romish (Catholic) countries of Europe, France, Italy, Germany, etc., the God Christ, as well as his mother, are described in their old pictures to be black. The infant God in the arms of his black mother, his eyes and drapery white, is himself perfectly black. If the reader doubts my word he may go to the Cathedral at Moulins—to the famous Chapel of the Virgin at Loretto—to the Church of the Annunciata—the Church at St. Lazaro or the Church of St. Stephen at Genoa—to St. Francisco at Pisa—to the Church at Brixen in Tyrol and to that at Padua—to the Church of St. Theodore at Munich—to a church and to the Cathedral at Augsburg, where a black virgin and child as large as life—to Rome and the Borghese chapel of Maria Maggiore—to the Pantheon—to a small chapel of St. Peters on the right hand side on entering, near the door; and in fact, to almost innumerable other churches in countries professing the Romish religion"....etc, etc (John G. Jackson)
Now are you sure this 'absolute truth' won't sway your belief or do you need to whiten Jesus up a little, perhaps make him an acceptable 'brown'? 😉😉
