01 Oct 20
@mott-the-hoople saidThe USA is not a signatory to the ICC convention. Therefore, the ICC has no jurisdiction over US citizens. This is a fact. Nothing to do with Trump.
the icc has no jurisdiction over US citizens
01 Oct 20
@moonbus saidHow galling is it that a country that constantly takes upon itself the right to sanction other countries for various perceived misdemeanours now attacks the one international body that might ask its military to live up to the moral standards it sanctimoniously demands of others.
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Domestic law does not exist for Donald Trump, except when he can twist it to harass his rivals and opponents. Why should international law be any different for him?
It looks like the death throes of an empire to me, if trump gets another 4 yrs the US will be universally vilified as an international ogre.
01 Oct 20
@mott-the-hoople saidThen it has no moral jurisdiction over any nations citizens. It’s time it was disbanded.
the icc has no jurisdiction over US citizens
01 Oct 20
@mott-the-hoople saidGive an example of them targetting U.S. citizens.
when they target US citizens it is the responsibility of he US to protect its citizens from political attacks.
And not from a right-wing source that grovels over Trump.
01 Oct 20
@vivify - And not from a right-wing source that grovels over Trump.
Try to find a left-wing source that doesn't grovel over Trump
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@no1marauder saidfond of soros are you?
I'm pretty sure it was started by and is fully funded by George Soros.
@mott-the-hoople saidYou are wrong:
you do realize the icc has no jurisdiction over US citizens dont you?
Instead of obsessing over this matter, see if you can find out why they are not concerned with chinas child slaves or russias invasion of sovereign countries (Crimea) or syrian genocide or china invasion of hong kong.
"The Court may exercise jurisdiction in a situation where genocide, crimes against humanity or war crimes were committed on or after 1 July 2002 and:
the crimes were committed by a State Party national, or in the territory of a State Party, or in a State that has accepted the jurisdiction of the Court; or
the crimes were referred to the ICC Prosecutor by the United Nations Security Council (UNSC) pursuant to a resolution adopted under chapter VII of the UN charter."
https://www.icc-cpi.int/about/how-the-court-works
So if a US citizen were to commit "genocide, crimes against humanity or war crimes" in "the territory of a State Party" or "in a State that has accepted the jurisdiction of the Court", the ICC would still have jurisdiction over them even though the US is not a party to the treaty.
"That’s why US citizens may be subject to the court’s jurisdiction as it investigates alleged grave crimes that took place in Afghanistan, which is a state party, or in Poland, Lithuania, and Romania, which are also states parties.
There is nothing unusual in this. US citizens who commit crimes abroad are already subject to the jurisdiction of foreign courts. This is a basic and well established principle of international law. Countries that ratify the Rome Statute are simply delegating their authority to prosecute certain grave crimes committed on their territory to an international court."
https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/09/02/qa-international-criminal-court-and-united-states#5
01 Oct 20
@mott-the-hoople saidYou regard acts that are genocide, crimes against humanity and/or war crimes as "political"?
when they target US citizens it is the responsibility of he US to protect its citizens from political attacks.
02 Oct 20
@no1marauder saidMy mistake was to assume Mott knew what he was talking about and take his word for it.
You are wrong:
"The Court may exercise jurisdiction in a situation where genocide, crimes against humanity or war crimes were committed on or after 1 July 2002 and:
the crimes were committed by a State Party national, or in the territory of a State Party, or in a State that has accepted the jurisdiction of the Court; or
the crimes were referred to the ICC Pr ...[text shortened]... l court."
https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/09/02/qa-international-criminal-court-and-united-states#5
Never again.