U.S. conservatives defend-the right to bear fat

Originally posted by no1marauder
There's too much meddling in the parent-child relationship by the "Big Mommys" of the State already. Absent rather glaring abuse and/or neglect, the government should butt out. Some certain percentage of people, including kids, are going to be overweight. So what? All the government interference and pressuring of parents through coercive laws and practices won't change that.

Yes, we should do away with all professionals. Let all kids be homeschooled, we don't want the children to be influenced by a state-approved curriculum, or have overanxious teachers who may try to meddle in the parent-child relationship, claiming that the child has problems or looks unhealthy. Getting rid of schools will also solve the problem of meals at school which might contain food the parents hadn't planned to give their children. Health checks are also unnecessary; if the child is ill, the parents probably have some household remedies, and if the child isn't ill, but just seriously over- or underweight, the parents should be able to decide themselves if they want to do anything about that (using their innate parenting skills and knowledge about health issues) or if they think it's better for their child to deal with the health problems and the psychological issues xymself and die a few years earlier.

Seriously, I don't think parents should have the right to harm their children and let them get serious, possibly irreversible health problems which could be prevented easily. And as I said, I believe that most parents don't want to harm their children, but some need help to learn the necessary parenting skills. It may be difficult for them to admit that they need help, so they often won't ask for it, and they may also reject it when it's offered. But I think in most cases they'll eventually accept and appreciate the help.* So I doubt there would be many cases in which the health issues are so severe and the parents' resistance so strong that forced action is required.

* I see this happen a lot with parents of children with disabilities, behaviour problems etc., which is a somewhat different problem, but I think the psychological process is quite similar. It happens quite often that the parents first don't want the child to get help because they can't accept that the child has problems. But there are very few cases in which this can't be solved over time and in which we may need to call in the child protection service to get the child the help xe needs.

Originally posted by mrstabby
Advertising has changed the way entire nations eat. Obesity has followed corporations like Taco Bell, Pizza Hut and McDonalds into other countries. The food is substandard, yet people still go for it.
If changing someone's behaviour from something healthy to something harmful isn't brainwashing, I don't know what is. People start doing something that th ...[text shortened]... n?
In my eyes McDonalds are a less severe version of the British crippling China with opium.

You cannot place the blame on these companies for making people obese. The courts have decided the exact same thing: people must take responsibility for their actions. McDonalds does not brainwash it's costumers into driving to McDonalds, ordering a Big Mac, with extra mayo, a large fries, and a McFlurry. McDonalds already posts it's nutritional values, so you cannot argue that these people have no idea that it's bad for them. People choose to eat there because it tastes good, and they don't want to cook sometimes. Everything good must come in moderation. The problem America is experiencing is some people overdo it to an extreme. It's not fair to punish the other 2/3 of Americans because some people lack self control. "I'm lovin' it" is not subliminal messaging that brainwashes people into eating McDonalds. All the commercials ever show is the food! How on earth are you going to sell a product you aren't allowed to show on T.V.?

Originally posted by mrstabby
Restaurants serve food. They also serve adults and children the same food. It really annoys me when parents in this country assume their children won't like the food they're eating, when in the rest of Europe you see families happily eating together in a restaurant. Kids aren't screaming either.
I heard that even the use of red and yellow colours is inf ...[text shortened]... ss/coolness by advertising.

My dad always said that Ronald McDonald is a child molester...

When I went to England I didn't see a single family eating in any food joint. All I saw were overweight bald men drinking beer like they were a camel and teenagers pestering people passing by and using the f word in every sentence. I stayed there for over a week, and the most family oriented people I saw were tourists.

Originally posted by Remora91
You cannot place the blame on these companies for making people obese. The courts have decided the exact same thing: people must take responsibility for their actions. McDonalds does not brainwash it's costumers into driving to McDonalds, ordering a Big Mac, with extra mayo, a large fries, and a McFlurry. McDonalds already posts it's nutritional values, so ...[text shortened]... food! How on earth are you going to sell a product you aren't allowed to show on T.V.?

I would agree with everything that you said here... except advertising is a form of 'brainwashing' it is meant to be very suggestive and is actually quite scientific on how they get people to buy things. One of the most obvious is the McRib... it is well know in the advertising world that the take away method of selling works... the McRib is only out for a limited time... why? We didnt run out of pigs... McDonalds know that people who like the McRib will choose McDonalds over another restaurant because they want to get one before they are not for sale anymore.

Originally posted by lepomis
I would agree with everything that you said here... except advertising is a form of 'brainwashing' it is meant to be very suggestive and is actually quite scientific on how they get people to buy things. One of the most obvious is the McRib... it is well know in the advertising world that the take away method of selling works... the McRib is only out for a ...[text shortened]... ds over another restaurant because they want to get one before they are not for sale anymore.

Good point. Although God knows why somebody would want to eat the McRib... 😕

Originally posted by Remora91
Good point. Although God knows why somebody would want to eat the McRib... 😕

Well, I am with you on that one 🙂

Originally posted by Remora91
You cannot place the blame on these companies for making people obese. The courts have decided the exact same thing: people must take responsibility for their actions. McDonalds does not brainwash it's costumers into driving to McDonalds, ordering a Big Mac, with extra mayo, a large fries, and a McFlurry. McDonalds already posts it's nutritional values, so ...[text shortened]... food! How on earth are you going to sell a product you aren't allowed to show on T.V.?

How is limiting advertising punishing the rest of the population?
I'm pretty sure things have been sold throughout history without television. The advertising affects people subtly, and much more substantially than you'd think. It creates a brand image with irrational associations of status and success.

A lot of the commercials' time isn't spent on the food, especially children's commercials where they show a clown and toys. They are selling an addictive product, which should come with the responsibility of making sure their clients don't get hooked on it. Otherwise McDonalds and co. are no better than heroin dealers.

Also, on the note of subliminal advertising
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Originally posted by Bad wolf
As the obesity crises continues in the USA, Conservatives say they defend the 'right to bare fat'.
How many more people have to die from this before we learn?

http://tinyurl.com/ywt725

Discuss.

Seen a lot of fat Brits when I was over there. The US doesn't have the monopoly on fat people.

Originally posted by Remora91
You cannot place the blame on these companies for making people obese. The courts have decided the exact same thing: people must take responsibility for their actions. McDonalds does not brainwash it's costumers into driving to McDonalds, ordering a Big Mac, with extra mayo, a large fries, and a McFlurry. McDonalds already posts it's nutritional values, so ...[text shortened]... food! How on earth are you going to sell a product you aren't allowed to show on T.V.?

But McDonalds' advertising does have a brainwashing effect on those less able to make sound judgements, especially children. You can talk about "parental responsibility" here, and I'd agree, but those children will grow up some day, and we all know how effective childhood brainwashing is - look at religion.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
But McDonalds' advertising does have a brainwashing effect on those less able to make sound judgements, especially children. You can talk about "parental responsibility" here, and I'd agree, but those children will grow up some day, and we all know how effective childhood brainwashing is - look at religion.

Yeah, seeing that guy nailed to the cross makes kids beg their parents to bring them to church, cuz its like sooo much fun for them.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
But McDonalds' advertising does have a brainwashing effect on those less able to make sound judgements, especially children. You can talk about "parental responsibility" here, and I'd agree, but those children will grow up some day, and we all know how effective childhood brainwashing is - look at religion.

I would be ashamed of myself as a parent if 30 second spots on tv could have a stronger effect on the future of my child than me.

Originally posted by mrstabby
How is limiting advertising punishing the rest of the population?
I'm pretty sure things have been sold throughout history without television. The advertising affects people subtly, and much more substantially than you'd think. It creates a brand image with irrational associations of status and success.

A lot of the commercials' time isn't spent on ...[text shortened]... of subliminal advertising
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xPvYgTvr8I&mode=related&search=

You think McDonald's is supposed to take responsibility for people being "addicted" to food?

Originally posted by mrstabby
How is limiting advertising punishing the rest of the population?
I'm pretty sure things have been sold throughout history without television. The advertising affects people subtly, and much more substantially than you'd think. It creates a brand image with irrational associations of status and success.

A lot of the commercials' time isn't spent on ...[text shortened]... of subliminal advertising
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xPvYgTvr8I&mode=related&search=

Really? Why not make a list of every commercial you see in one day, and then make a mark next to each one that is for a product you bought that week. I rarely seem commercials for the things I do buy, and even more rarely buy things I see in commercials. I've seen enough beer ads in football games that I could stock a bar if I actually bought the stuff. There are plenty of ads for cars and other motor vehicles, for products to erect something I don't have, commercials to make yogurt look like it's practically erotic ... It's all just nonsense filler. Do you really use it to form your opinions and habits? And if you don't -- then why do you assume that others do?

Originally posted by reader1107
Really? Why not make a list of every commercial you see in one day, and then make a mark next to each one that is for a product you bought that week. I rarely seem commercials for the things I do buy, and even more rarely buy things I see in commercials. I've seen enough beer ads in football games that I could stock a bar if I actually bought the stuff ...[text shortened]... form your opinions and habits? And if you don't -- then why do you assume that others do?

Something that is interesting about current advertising methods, is that they are not so much looking for new buyers... they are trying to find ways to get current ones to buy more.

Originally posted by Squelchbelch
What if you use your fat purely for defensive purposes within your own home?

It's not the fat that kills people, it's those irresponsible arteries which can't handle the fat and ruin it for everyone else.