US 2nd Amendment - what does it say?

@kevcvs57 said
How likely am I to kill someone with my iPhone Joe, I suppose I could bash their skull in with but a hammer would do a much better job and nothing like as expensive to replace or repair should it get damaged.
Us libs have to speak up against the flagrant profiteering of the gun manufacturers and their corrupt lobbying activities because you illiberal’s are either to stupid too see it or too misanthropic to care.

Stay with me here. We are too stupid to see what? Making of guns? Making profits? Tell me what you mean, and then we can discuss the issue which you are prsenting.
Your iPhone analogy misses the mark. You pretend to not get that I am saying that corps have to make money. Could it be that you think the govt should 'decide' what a corp does and how it does it? An Iphone corp, or a Hammer Manufacturer?? (Hammers can kill, as you say). I think you are not saying that the gun manufacturers should be shut down, so what Are you saying?

@averagejoe1 said
Stay with me here. We are too stupid to see what? Making of guns? Making profits? Tell me what you mean, and then we can discuss the issue which you are prsenting.
Your iPhone analogy misses the mark. You pretend to not get that I am saying that corps have to make money. Could it be that you think the govt should 'decide' what a corp does and how it does it? A ...[text shortened]... . I think you are not saying that the gun manufacturers should be shut down, so what Are you saying?

Making guns, making profits
Jo, how do you define blood money?

@capacrapa said
The US National Guard is part of the government.

Civilians having the right to bear arms is in place to stop governments from becoming dictatorships.

Many governments promised to protect the people...Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot etc etc

CANADIANS CANNOT OWN HANDGUNS

@averagejoe1 said
Stay with me here. We are too stupid to see what? Making of guns? Making profits? Tell me what you mean, and then we can discuss the issue which you are prsenting.
Your iPhone analogy misses the mark. You pretend to not get that I am saying that corps have to make money. Could it be that you think the govt should 'decide' what a corp does and how it does it? A ...[text shortened]... . I think you are not saying that the gun manufacturers should be shut down, so what Are you saying?

That's about the stupidest analogy I've ever heard.
iPhones are not an instrument of destruction.
According to your argument , we also should be able to purchase,
explosives, artillery, missiles....Yeah, profits to be made.

@jimm619 said
Making guns, making profits
Jo, how do you define blood money?

Boy you are right with this wise statement. There will definitely be blood all over my living room as I empty a shotgun into a criminal who would actually be dead after the first shot. I would definitely keep shooting, so, yes, a lot of blood. I did pay $1600 for this Remington 1100, so yes, they got my money, but no blood existed at the time. They made it, I bought it. Do you think they should just give me a gun, ,and not be paid for it?
You need to work on your posts.

@jimm619 said
That's about the stupidest analogy I've ever heard.
iPhones are not an instrument of destruction.
According to your argument , we also should be able to purchase,
explosives, artillery, missiles....Yeah, profits to be made.

A Hammer is an instrument of destruction. An instrument , as you say. Should we be able to purchase a hammer, I am about fed up with my granny's cooking !!!!!

You and Suzianne need some sunshine.

@averagejoe1 said
Boy you are right with this wise statement. There will definitely be blood all over my living room as I empty a shotgun into a criminal who would actually be dead after the first shot. I would definitely keep shooting, so, yes, a lot of blood. I did pay $1600 for this Remington 1100, so yes, they got my money, but no blood existed at the time. They made it, I bought ...[text shortened]... hink they should just give me a gun, ,and not be paid for it?
You need to work on your posts.

Look forward to gunning someone down, do ya?
Ever done it, ever shot someone, you rough, tough guy?
Tell me how an iPhone is akin to a shotgun?
Hey, Jo,
POST THE NEWS STORY ABOUT YOUR NEPHEW GETTING
GUNNED DOWN AS HE WAS JOGGING.

@jimm619 said
Look forward to gunning someone down, do ya?
Ever done it, ever shot someone, you rough, tough guy?
Tell me how an iPhone is akin to a shotgun?
Hey, Jo,
POST THE NEWS STORY ABOUT YOUR NEPHEW GETTING
GUNNED DOWN AS HE WAS JOGGING.

I covered all that, proving how you fellers cherry pick and change facts. Go back and read it.
I will humor you with this link on the said nephew, I said the nephew of a friend of mine. Now quit bothering everybody. Chat with Suzianne.



https://www.11alive.com/article/news/crime/jogger-shot-in-buckhead-in-apparent-drive-by/85-b68172d8-6a39-4734-b821-a297a5f0755a

@vistesd2 said
@AverageJoe1

I have never been a member of a collegiate debating team. (Were you? At Yale? If so, good for you.) Nor do I think I am obligated to debate – or to respond to – whatever point you think I should. With that said ...

As you can see from this thread, there are (and have been) claims about what a Militia is, or what the Framers meant by a Militia in the 2nd A ...[text shortened]... at the Framers meant by a well-regulated Militia.

And that is what this thread is (or was) about.

Well said.

And groups like that today would be called the National Guard, which IS composed of citizens of the state where they are located.

https://www.nationalguard.com/guard-history

Whatever is needed, wherever it is needed

The National Guard is a unique and essential element of the U.S. military. Founded in 1636 as a citizen force organized to protect families and towns from hostile attacks, today’s National Guard Soldiers hold civilian jobs or attend college while maintaining their military training part-time, always ready to defend the American way of life in the event of an emergency.

Our mission.
National Guard Soldiers serve both community and country. Our versatility enables us to respond to domestic emergencies, overseas combat missions, counterdrug efforts, reconstruction missions and more. The Guard always responds with speed, strength, and efficiency, helping to defend American freedom and ideals.

Our Citizen-Soldiers.
As a Guard Soldier, your primary area of operation is your home state. Any governor or the president himself can call on the Guard at a moment’s notice. Typically, Guard Soldiers live at home, where they can be near friends and family while holding a civilian job. Drill is scheduled for just one weekend each month. Two-week Annual Training takes place once each year.



This is precisely what a "well-regulated militia" is.

@suzianne said
Well said.

And groups like that today would be called the National Guard, which IS composed of citizens of the state where they are located.

https://www.nationalguard.com/guard-history

Whatever is needed, wherever it is needed

The National Guard is a unique and essential element of the U.S. military. Founded in 1636 as a citizen force organized to protect familie ...[text shortened]... al Training takes place once each year.



This is precisely what a "well-regulated militia" is.

yeah, but you don't have a point. They are a few miles , maybe a hundred, from Uvalda. If the teacher had had a gun in her pocket, 21 people would be alive today. You imply militia is 'enough'. That, We don't need guns. Who agrees with you?

@averagejoe1 said
yeah, but you don't have a point. They are a few miles , maybe a hundred, from Uvalda. If the teacher had had a gun in her pocket, 21 people would be alive today. You imply militia is 'enough'. That, We don't need guns. Who agrees with you?

People who are sick and tired of seeing children gunned down every week.

@suzianne said
People who are sick and tired of seeing children gunned down every week.

Suzy. When a person does that, chances are he did not walk into a gun shop and legally buy the gun. Now you take it from there.

@averagejoe1 said
Suzy. When a person does that, chances are he did not walk into a gun shop and legally buy the gun. Now you take it from there.

Your pals, the NRA, and the morals-free legislators you support, work tirelessly to allow these shooters to walk in and obtain these weapons legally, with no background check, as this shooter did.

@averagejoe1 said
yeah, but you don't have a point. They are a few miles , maybe a hundred, from Uvalda. If the teacher had had a gun in her pocket, 21 people would be alive today.

All of the policemen of Uvalda had guns.

They did absolutely nothing.

No, wait, that's not true. They did absolutely nothing to save other people's children. Some of them were "brave" enough to get their own abbottions out of there, but nobody else's. Some of them were brave enough to taser parents trying to save their children. They did do that, at least. Those heroes. Those "good guys with a gun".

If guns would stop a school shooter, those "brave" policemen would've stopped this school shooting before it even started. But they didn't. And they don't. The only thing freely available guns do is... massacre school children.

@averagejoe1 said
yeah, but you don't have a point. They are a few miles , maybe a hundred, from Uvalda. If the teacher had had a gun in her pocket, 21 people would be alive today. You imply militia is 'enough'. That, We don't need guns. Who agrees with you?

There were cops standing outside for an hour while children bled to death and the gunman kept shooting. Waiting for backup because they were too afraid to go in.

But yeah, give the history teacher a handgun.


"We don't need guns. Who agrees with you?"
Most of the US and all the civilized world.