08 May 22
@sh76 saidBTW, you're behind the times:
Would you be in favor of first amending the WHPA to limit the federal protection of post-viability abortions to where necessary to save the life of the mother like NY Penal Law does?
"It became a talking point when Cuomo signed abortion legislation codifying Roe vs. Wade into state law in January 2019.
New York's Reproductive Health Act allows practitioners to perform an abortion on a patient who is 24 weeks or more away from the start of a pregnancy if the fetus is not viable or the abortion is necessary "to protect the patient's life or health."
"Before Cuomo signed the legislation, abortions after 24 weeks were allowed only when the mother's life was at risk. They otherwise were criminalized.
The Reproductive Health Act also removed abortion from the state's penal code, and the statute still defines a person as a "human being who has been born and is alive."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/30/fact-check-andrew-cuomo-new-york-law-does-not-allow-abortion-up-until-birth/3014473001/
@sh76 said"not that the vast majority of Americans are going to consider morally bankrupt as written."
They keep chipping away at the filibuster on other things. They could say they're dumping the filibuster on bills passed under the enforcement clause of the 14th Amendment or something. (There's some logic to that if you think about it.)
Of course it's probably not going to actually happen, but if they're going to introduce a bill, they should introduce one that actually dese ...[text shortened]... pass and not that the vast majority of Americans are going to consider morally bankrupt as written.
Absurd. Substantial majorities favor Roe. I doubt allowing post-viability abortions which threaten the patient's health changes that equation.
08 May 22
@metal-brain saidHe has voted for every one of Biden's judicial nominees. https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/politics/manchin-sinema-biden-supreme-court/index.html
Right, I'm sure that has nothing to do with his pro fossil fuel positions.
He is a DINO.
08 May 22
@no1marauder saidOh, Lord.
BTW, you're behind the times:
"It became a talking point when Cuomo signed abortion legislation codifying Roe vs. Wade into state law in January 2019.
New York's Reproductive Health Act allows practitioners to perform an abortion on a patient who is 24 weeks or more away from the start of a pregnancy if the fetus is not viable or the abortion is necessary "to prote ...[text shortened]... k/2020/04/30/fact-check-andrew-cuomo-new-york-law-does-not-allow-abortion-up-until-birth/3014473001/
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. Very little in the way of depravity in this state should.
Straw poll:
Does anybody here want to make the case to support a right to abortion at 38 weeks if her doctor states that having the baby will present a "risk" to her mental health?
08 May 22
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@no1marauder saidhttps://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-06-25/ap-norc-poll-most-say-restrict-abortion-after-1st-trimester
"not that the vast majority of Americans are going to consider morally bankrupt as written."
Absurd. Substantial majorities favor Roe. I doubt allowing post-viability abortions which threaten the patient's health changes that equation.
A solid majority of Americans believe most abortions should be legal in the first three months of a woman’s pregnancy, but most say the procedure should usually be illegal in the second and third trimesters, according to a new poll.
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The new poll from The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research finds 61% of Americans say abortion should be legal in most or all circumstances in the first trimester of a pregnancy. However, 65% said abortion should usually be illegal in the second trimester, and 80% said that about the third trimester.
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Majorities of Americans — Republicans and Democrats alike — think a pregnant woman should be able to obtain a legal abortion if her life is seriously endangered, if the pregnancy results from rape or incest or if the child would be born with a life-threatening illness.
Poll Americans whether it should be legal to "abort" a full term baby (indistinguishable at that stage from execution) because the mother's mental health is at risk and you'll be lucky to get 10% yes.
08 May 22
@sh76 saidWhere exactly does it say "mental health" and/or based on one doctor's opinion?
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-06-25/ap-norc-poll-most-say-restrict-abortion-after-1st-trimester
[quote]A solid majority of Americans believe most abortions should be legal in the first three months of a woman’s pregnancy, but most say the procedure should usually be illegal in the second and third trimesters, according to a new poll.
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The n ...[text shortened]... ge from execution) because the mother's mental health is at risk and you'll be lucky to get 10% yes.
08 May 22
@no1marauder said"A prohibition on abortion after fetal viability when, in the good-faith medical judgment of the treating health care provider, continuation of the pregnancy would pose a risk to the pregnant patient’s life or health."
Where exactly does it say "mental health" and/or based on one doctor's opinion?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3755/text
08 May 22
@no1marauder saidThat just proves how corrupt he is.
He has voted for every one of Biden's judicial nominees. https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/26/politics/manchin-sinema-biden-supreme-court/index.html
Manchin supported more Trump nominees than any other Democrat.
08 May 22
@sh76 saidOK.
"A prohibition on abortion after fetal viability when, in the good-faith medical judgment of the treating health care provider, continuation of the pregnancy would pose a risk to the pregnant patient’s life or health."
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3755/text
Where's the mental health language again? NY's law says: "2. This article shall be construed and applied consistent with and
subject to applicable laws and applicable and authorized regulations governing health care procedures."
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PBH/2599-BB
The State Senate explained: "Health and viability are medical terms. Like other medical terms, they are not defined in our state law. In consultation with the pregnant woman, a medical provider determines whether her health is at risk, exercising medical judgment and considering a variety of factors. Some of the medical conditions that may put a pregnant woman’s health at risk include placental abruption, bleeding, placenta previa, preeclampsia or eclampsia, and cardiac or renal conditions."
https://www.nysenate.gov/newsroom/articles/2019/liz-krueger/faqs-about-reproductive-health-act
08 May 22
@sh76 saidThat is consistent with Roe:
"A prohibition on abortion after fetal viability when, in the good-faith medical judgment of the treating health care provider, continuation of the pregnancy would pose a risk to the pregnant patient’s life or health."
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/3755/text
" If the State is interested in protecting fetal life after viability, it may go so far as to proscribe abortion during that period, except when it is necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/410/113 paragraph 97
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08 May 22
@jj-adams saidI think, if anything, Conservatives leaked it in order to cement the
Does anyone else think that the leak was intentional so they could see the public's reaction and maybe change their mind?
positions of the Justices themselves. Make it harder for them
to change their position.