23 Sep 06
I finally came up with a solution to welfare today. If you want to go on welfare, you can. You can do it for the rest of your life if you want. However, if you are going to relie on the state, then the state, in a sense, controls you; and since you are not paying taxes (you ARE on welfare after all), all you have to do is forfeit your right to vote.
Now, once you have everybody on welfare forfeiting their right to vote, we have an election where we, the tax payers of the country, vote to see whether or not we want welfare. I bet the vote wouldn't be close either.
Now, you might be saying, "But slap, isn't that unconstitutional?" My reply would be, "No." You are exercising your rights as a free individual. You are voluntarily giving up your right to vote. People do this every day by not registering or voting. No one is forcing you to be on welfare and no one is forcing you to vote.
I could go on with this for a while but I would like to see anyone else's opinions on this.
23 Sep 06
Originally posted by slappy115Well slap first I hate the idea of some parasite sponging of of the system for life because what it in the end means is that they are leeching off of me.
I finally came up with a solution to welfare today. If you want to go on welfare, you can. You can do it for the rest of your life if you want. However, if you are going to relie on the state, then the state, in a sense, controls you; and since you are not paying taxes (you ARE on welfare after all), all you have to do is forfeit your right to vote.
...[text shortened]... could go on with this for a while but I would like to see anyone else's opinions on this.
Secondly if this were the case and we taxpayer were in sole charge of our own destiny, and not a slave to our neighbor the very first thing I would do is fight to have a law eliminating well-fare, and letting those parisites on it work for themselves or die without my work, blood and money to feed and shelter them.
23 Sep 06
Originally posted by Hank ReardenWhat do you think the point of giving up the right to vote is? We deal with it for, say, two years. We vote. Welfare is gone and they still don't have the right to vote. Now they either get a job or starve. It is that simple.
Well slap first I hate the idea of some parasite sponging of of the system for life because what it in the end means is that they are leeching off of me.
Secondly if this were the case and we taxpayer were in sole charge of our own destiny, and not a slave to our neighbor the very first thing I would do is fight to have a law eliminating well-fare, an ...[text shortened]... ites on it work for themselves or die without my work, blood and money to feed and shelter them.
23 Sep 06
Originally posted by slappy115Uh...if you're not providing welfare, why should they have to continue to refrain from voting? You can't make a deal, break your end of it and expect the other party to remain bound by it.
What do you think the point of giving up the right to vote is? We deal with it for, say, two years. We vote. Welfare is gone and they still don't have the right to vote. Now they either get a job or starve. It is that simple.
23 Sep 06
Originally posted by AThousandYoungTrue. I was trying really trying to push it there. I knew that it was a contradiction.
Uh...if you're not providing welfare, why should they have to continue to refrain from voting? You can't make a deal, break your end of it and expect the other party to remain bound by it.
However, if you renounce your citizenship, can you reobtain it?
That's how I should have worded it. To go on welfare, you have to renounce your ability to vote. I don't know. I'm not a doctor.
23 Sep 06
Originally posted by slappy115I hate the idea of paying taxes to support lazy people but i think a lot of people are desperate to find work. Your idea is ok assuming there are enough jobs available. Would your plan also include generating new employment opportunities? If so, how would you do that?
I finally came up with a solution to welfare today. If you want to go on welfare, you can. You can do it for the rest of your life if you want. However, if you are going to relie on the state, then the state, in a sense, controls you; and since you are not paying taxes (you ARE on welfare after all), all you have to do is forfeit your right to vote.
...[text shortened]... could go on with this for a while but I would like to see anyone else's opinions on this.
23 Sep 06
Originally posted by slappy115If you create a society where unemployment is a possibility, you need to create welfare to support people.
I finally came up with a solution to welfare today. If you want to go on welfare, you can. You can do it for the rest of your life if you want. However, if you are going to relie on the state, then the state, in a sense, controls you; and since you are not paying taxes (you ARE on welfare after all), all you have to do is forfeit your right to vote.
...[text shortened]... could go on with this for a while but I would like to see anyone else's opinions on this.
It's that easy.
Originally posted by shavixmirIn the UK there are millions of reaonably able persons who have chosen the option of living by scrounging off the taxpayers (it's called 'Invalidity Benefit'😉 since they have, in effect, been encouraged to do so by the laxity of our 'Labour ' government which then has to import immigrant workers to keep the economy afloat.
If you create a society where unemployment is a possibility, you need to create welfare to support people.
It's that easy.
These persons provide a captive voting reserve for the government at election time so that the process is self-generating.
23 Sep 06
Originally posted by shavixmirWell said, my sentiments exactly.
If you create a society where unemployment is a possibility, you need to create welfare to support people.
It's that easy.
I'm not sure if we'd agree on the type and ammount of support, but I think it is undeniable that our society creates involuntary unemployment and it is unfair that the unemployed suffer all the burden of this cost.
23 Sep 06
Originally posted by PhilodorIs invadility benefit not means tested? Yes it is. So most people claiming it, will have been tested for their disability.
In the UK there are millions of reaonably able persons who have chosen the option of living by scrounging off the taxpayers (it's called 'Invalidity Benefit'😉 since they have, in effect, been encouraged to do so by the laxity of our 'Labour ' government which then has to import immigrant workers to keep the economy afloat.
These persons provide a captiv ...[text shortened]... voting reserve for the government at election time so that the process is self-generating.
I, myself, applied for well over 80 jobs in a 2 month period when I arrived in Manchester in June.
Not one was given to me. Eventually a house mate got me a job in a call centre where she works.
And I was applying for everything. From cinemas to bars, from restaurants to shops, from social work to care positions.
And I can write. And my CV looks good. And I'm well spoken.
I think you grossly mis-understand the job situation in Britain.
Either you're over-qualified, under-qualified or you're too self confidant or whatever.
I even got turned down as a car park attendant. So, I phoned them up to ask why. The girl on the phone said: "You don't have the proper qualifications."
I obviously asked: "Pray tell what sort of qualifications I need then."
And do you know what she answered?
"You need to be able to park cars and talk to people."
Sorry. But I can quite imagine why people can't get a job. And I can quite imagine why people eventually give up on the system altogether.
23 Sep 06
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Originally posted by shavixmirSince you are clearly a bit of an oddity (one has only to read your posts and to look at your ID icon to see that) I am not suprised that enployers are wary of taking on persons like you.
Is invadility benefit not means tested? Yes it is. So most people claiming it, will have been tested for their disability.
I, myself, applied for well over 80 jobs in a 2 month period when I arrived in Manchester in June.
Not one was given to me. Eventually a house mate got me a job in a call centre where she works.
And I was applying for everyth job. And I can quite imagine why people eventually give up on the system altogether.
The vast majority however of those on 'Invalidity' (as distint from the various provisions made for the genuinely severely disabled who cannot work) could find jobe if they tried. How, otherwise, are immigrants, many of whom cennot even speak intelligible English, able to find work so readily?
23 Sep 06
Originally posted by PhilodorLots of employers want people who are untrained, etc. to fill vacancies. They won't give it to someone with a degree.
Since you are clearly a bit of an oddity (one has only to read your posts and to look at your ID icon to see that) I am not suprised that enployers are wary of taking on persons like you.
The vast majority however of those on 'Invalidity' (as distint from the various provisions made for the genuinely severely disabled who cannot work) could find jobe if t ...[text shortened]... mmigrants, many of whom cennot even speak intelligible English, able to find work so readily?
Don't ask me why.
23 Sep 06
Originally posted by shavixmirWell it's a job they have to offer so if you cannot obtain one requiring a degree you have the option of taking what is going rather than scrounge.
Lots of employers want people who are untrained, etc. to fill vacancies. They won't give it to someone with a degree.
Don't ask me why.
Trouble is that the 'benefit' are so generous as to make it an attractive propositio for such persons to refuse whatever jobs are on offer. If the choice were between work or starve one would see a very different response I suspect.
Clearly much depends on the subject of a degree or other formal qualification . What is yours ?