28 Oct 06
Originally posted by mochironOf course it's the niceness of the West, Mochiron. You can't be picky when you struggle for survival. Ethical eating/living/shopping is a luxury.
They taste good with onions.
chicken. I prefer chicken hearts and the liver.
Ethical. The niceness of the west.
Most hindus would eat a whale any day before eating a cow..which they would not. are they less ethical?
Escargot....c'est bien aussie. c'est une probleme quand vous parlez pour les forums FQ.. vous avez l'addiccion d'checs et let forums....lol
But I find it amazing that people care so little about the impact their lifestyle has on the environment and on other people. . .a nonchalant attitude to things that matter a lot..
28 Oct 06
Originally posted by FrenchQueenWell. tell everyone that has to drive a car for half a km that they are contributing to pollution and they freak.
Of course it's the niceness of the West, Mochiron. You can't be picky when you struggle for survival. Ethical eating/living/shopping is a luxury.
But I find it amazing that people care so little about the impact their lifestyle has on the environment and on other people. . .a nonchalant attitude to things that matter a lot..
I agree in principle. but killing mammals is killing mammals. how is a whale better than a chicken or a dog or a cow. depends on your cultural background. Why is killing a chiken worse than eating lettuce. you are still klling something albeit on a smaller scale. Trees and plants are living too. Do you feel bad about using toilet paper after defecating. I mean that kills trees in innocent forests. how about the table your computer is on. do you feel guilty for the death of that tree?
A tree has a life too. so why kill htat but not a whale?
28 Oct 06
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Originally posted by mochironI don't own a car, I eat organic, Fairtrade food and wine, I only use ecologically friendly detergents in my home, I recycle anything I can and I try and encourage others to do the same. I don't buy any furniture made with wood not sourced from an ecologically sound source. I eat very little meat and fish. I don't buy clothes from The Gap and other retailers who run sweatshops. I don't wear make-up. I travel by plane when it's necessary but favour trains.
Well. tell everyone that has to drive a car for half a km that they are contributing to pollution and they freak.
I agree in principle. but killing mammals is killing mammals. how is a whale better than a chicken or a dog or a cow. depends on your cultural background. Why is killing a chiken worse than eating lettuce. you are still klling something albe ...[text shortened]... guilty for the death of that tree?
A tree has a life too. so why kill htat but not a whale?
The toilet paper is use is made with 100% recycled paper.
I'm trying.
PS: I don't hug trees though. 😉
29 Oct 06
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Originally posted by Positional PlayerUtilitarianism would explain it by valuing the life of animals which can suffer more in dying and which can live more pleasurable lives over those who are less capable of suffering and pleasure. Plants as far as we can tell are not capable of these experiences so can be killed with impunity.
To what extent is eating one animal more ethical than eating another? How would you explain this?
29 Oct 06
Originally posted by AThousandYoungsure. I agree. but they are still living. why must a vegetarian value the life of an animal over a plant? I don't. I eat both with pleasure.
Utilitarianism would explain it by valuing the life of animals which can suffer more in dying and which can live more pleasurable lives over those who are less capable of suffering and pleasure. Plants as far as we can tell are not capable of these experiences so can be killed with impunity.
29 Oct 06
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Originally posted by mochironNot just vegetarians! Most people value the life of an animal over a plant, it's a commonly accepted fact. The point is humans have to eat something. That's where 'the lesser of two evils' principle comes in.
sure. I agree. but they are still living. why must a vegetarian value the life of an animal over a plant? I don't. I eat both with pleasure.
Animals feel pain (they have a nervous system, and emit distress signals etc...), plants don't. We humans can recognize and empathise with pain and that brings animals closer to us. Think of the ecological impact of eating meat (large-scale agriculture)and animal welfare, animal exploitation, the practices of the production of meat.. (Of course the production of plants can also harm animals through use of pesticides, fertilizers, deforestation for agricultural use of land etc.. but as I said before, we have to eat) Fruits are designed to be eaten, since that's basically how plants spread their seeds. Eating meat in unnecessary: it's possible to eat a balanced diet without eating dead animals. If you are going to eat meat, you should eat a meat whose production has a lesser impact on the environment. In other words, anyone can see that killing and eating a wild boar that's ruining crops is preferable to eating a cow, from an ecological and ethical point of view..
29 Oct 06
Originally posted by FrenchQueenFQ, i am only pushing buttons,
Not just vegetarians! Most people value the life of an animal over a plant, it's a commonly accepted fact. The point is humans have to eat something. That's where 'the lesser of two evils' principle comes in.
Animals feel pain (they have a nervous system, and emit distress signals etc...), plants don't. We humans can recognize and empathi ...[text shortened]... ning crops is preferable to eating a cow, from an ecological and ethical point of view..
i always use that arguement. just to get a reaction. i prefer whale to celery though much tastier. Dog, i have only eaten once....
your line about animals eating. sure. sounds good. but i dont think most peoplel care where their Big mac meat comes from. wild or domesticated or allowed to roam freely? it still tastes good as a burger.
actually..Horse meat is just as tasty.
29 Oct 06
Originally posted by FrenchQueenhow can they be intelligent; they don't even have one weapon of mass destruction among the whole species of them. not one.
Eating whales, which scientists have found are mammals of great intelligence is despicable IMHO.
Why eat them?
therefore, they must be subjected to wholesale slaughter just as any other unintelligent creatures who haven't got the brain power to get their own WMDs.
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29 Oct 06
Originally posted by rubber duckAh yes. Like the Iraqis? (Sorry to bring the tone down.)
how can they be intelligent; they don't even have one weapon of mass destruction among the whole species of them. not one.
therefore, they must be subjected to wholesale slaughter just as any other unintelligent creatures who haven't got the brain power to get their own WMDs.
30 Oct 06
Originally posted by mochironWell, why draw the line at animals? Cannibalism used to be fashionable in certain parts of the world--why shouldn't it return (under suitable regulation of course)? I've yet to read a good argument against cannibalism. "But it's wrong," they say, wringing their hands--why?
sure. I agree. but they are still living. why must a vegetarian value the life of an animal over a plant? I don't. I eat both with pleasure.
I don't think whales are being hunted mainly for their meat, really. I find whale slaughter revolting for reasons of aesthetics, which is to me a more important basis for decision-making than ethics.