What amounts to your losing freedom if I dont Vax?

@mghrn55 said
Soooooo ........ your notion of freedom is selective.
Exactly what I have been saying all along.
"Freedom" is nothing more than a punchline for some of you.
Once you get a government that gives you the freedom you want, then you get to exercise it.

Reproductive rights for women
Same sex marriage
etc, etc,

How is that? I said if you want to be controlling. That is not exactly an endorsement.

Controlling is an evil trait, but perhaps you did not catch that seeing as you are a controlling person.

@eladar said
How is that? I said if you want to be controlling. That is not exactly an endorsement.

Controlling is an evil trait, but perhaps you did not catch that seeing as you are a controlling person.

It is you putting the suggestion on the table.
Backing out by saying that someone else carry out the suggestion out doesn't absolve you of your notion.
So tell me .......
Your constant fight for the freedom of choice doesn't always apply to someone over a certain age ??

When you show your true colors on selective freedom, it shows that freedom is nothing more than a punchline for you.
Freedom applies to all, but there can be exceptions to the rule, based on your vision for America.
Is that it ?

@averagejoe1 said
Exactly. Just be involved to get the right people in government. You are on it. And let us distinguish a 'law', dictating such things as required vaccines, would be QUITE different than some rogue president, with his 'authority' (Brrrr) issuing a mandate from his desk in the Oval Office.
If 540 legislators make a law that we have to get vaccinated, having been lo ...[text shortened]... man, when his handlers, whom we do not know, are making the decision.
Time to build a barricade.

A government needs room to make executive decisions; especially in emergencies.
It’s up to the chambers and voters to hold the president responsible if they are bad decisions.

It’s impossible to run a country when every decision has to be fought over before being made.
If the checks and balances in a system don’t work, you need to audit the system to find improvements… although, to be honest, there should be auditting anyway…

@mghrn55 said
It is you putting the suggestion on the table.
Backing out by saying that someone else carry out the suggestion out doesn't absolve you of your notion.
So tell me .......
Your constant fight for the freedom of choice doesn't always apply to someone over a certain age ??

When you show your true colors on selective freedom, it shows that freedom is nothing more than a pu ...[text shortened]... ies to all, but there can be exceptions to the rule, based on your vision for America.
Is that it ?

Oh yes, I am the one who brought up vaxxing people.

You are nuts.

@zahlanzi said
"I think everyone should abstain from sword fighting to the death. My problem is that i do not think the government should dictate it, or dictate much of anything. That would be a force, taking my freedom to sword fight to the death. Force of a government upon its citizens. "

"Zhalanzi says here that one person has a right to require another person to Vax. "
By what r ...[text shortened]... fect you personally, just some woman who had the bad luck to be born in Texas and too poor to leave.

You are avoiding the main issue of Freedom, and respectfully,, I truly believe that libs have no concept of what freedom is. You do have a lot of faith in government, and that will, in the end, be our downfall. You all seem to have some measure of dependency going on in your lives,, the need for the govt to handle what are otherwise personal choices. Bad stuff.
As to your last comment about TX, my (conservative, responsible) thinking is that the 'bad luck' that the woman had was to take a risk (sex relations) and end up pregnant. Her choice. Not my problem. Not the problem of TX. And, if, as you say, she is too poor to leave, my very first thought when I read that.......If she is poor, why did she risk getting pregnant? Food for thought, don't you think?
Whew.

@shavixmir said
A government needs room to make executive decisions; especially in emergencies.
It’s up to the chambers and voters to hold the president responsible if they are bad decisions.

It’s impossible to run a country when every decision has to be fought over before being made.
If the checks and balances in a system don’t work, you need to audit the system to find improvements… although, to be honest, there should be auditting anyway…

You are then saying that one man, in this case one with the onset of dementia, can tell 330M people to take the shot. Again, do you know who his handlers are? Do you know who Susan Rice is? SHE and others will be the people issuing that order,, that Mandate. Screw that.
You are wrong, there is plenty of time to vote on whether to make it a law, which I would have to accept, that is the way we do things. And you are wrong to suggest checks and balances dont work.

@zahlanzi said
whoosh, there goes the point. over your head.

whoosh, no response by Socialist Zahlanzi. We see that a lot on the Forum.

@eladar said
You have been duped if you think covid is a serious threat to healthy people under 50.

They are like kindergartners who are told that if they eat the crafting paste that it is poisonous, or if they swallow gum their stomachs will get all glued together. Believe it if you hear it!
Swallow a watermelon seed and one will grow in your stomach !

@mghrn55 said
Soooooo ........ your notion of freedom is selective.
Exactly what I have been saying all along.
"Freedom" is nothing more than a punchline for some of you.
Once you get a government that gives you the freedom you want, then you get to exercise it.

Reproductive rights for women
Same sex marriage
etc, etc,

MG>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Govt does not "GIVE" freedom. Jesus.
You guys find that being given something is the way to look at just about everything. Brrrrrrrr
Would someone give me a thumbs up for what I am enlightening MG about?

@averagejoe1 said
You are avoiding the main issue of Freedom, and respectfully,, I truly believe that libs have no concept of what freedom is. You do have a lot of faith in government, and that will, in the end, be our downfall. You all seem to have some measure of dependency going on in your lives,, the need for the govt to handle what are otherwise personal choices. Bad stuff.
As to ...[text shortened]... ...If she is poor, why did she risk getting pregnant? Food for thought, don't you think?
Whew.

"You are avoiding the main issue of Freedom, and respectfully,, I truly believe that libs have no concept of what freedom is"
I don't care what you believe. You are wrong. You have no idea what freedom is. You fully support that it is right the government is forcing women to give up the right to their bodies for 9 months if they get pregnant but consider that requiring people to get a vaccine that is an overwhelming success and supported by most of the scientific community is just too infringing on someone's freedom.

"You do have a lot of faith in government, and that will, in the end, be our downfall."
As opposed to having faith in people like you? From what you've posted here over the years, i am absolutely certain you're too stupid/ignorant to be trusted to make the right decisions. People like you endanger people like me, even though i am doing the right things, wearing a mask, not going out in public when there is a quarantine, vaccinating myself. People like you can't be trusted to do small sacrifices for the greater good so people like me have to force people like you to comply.

" As to your last comment about TX, my (conservative, responsible) thinking is that the 'bad luck' that the woman had was to take a risk (sex relations) and end up pregnant. "
I don't give a fuk you're a frigid ashole who can't get any so you think women who do get it should suffer for it. Sex is not illegal and it is not shameful. Men can engage in sex and they don't have to carry a pregnancy to term.

"Her choice"
Not in Texas. Not anymore. You've taken her freedom away. Her choice.

"Not the problem of TX"
I have a funny feeling it is going to be a problem actually. When women start dying because of having abortions in back alleys.

"If she is poor, why did she risk getting pregnant?"
Translation from frigid conservateeze: Poor people don't deserve to have sex.

Not to mention rape victims (even children) don't fit in your despicable comment. Which that freedom infringing texas law doesn't allow as exceptions, you giant gaping ashole.

@zahlanzi said
"You are avoiding the main issue of Freedom, and respectfully,, I truly believe that libs have no concept of what freedom is"
I don't care what you believe. You are wrong. You have no idea what freedom is. You fully support that it is right the government is forcing women to give up the right to their bodies for 9 months if they get pregnant but consider that requiring peop ...[text shortened]... mment. Which that freedom infringing texas law doesn't allow as exceptions, you giant gaping ashole.

What has the federal government got to do with a lady who gets pregnant? Making her own decisions? Is there anything about it in the Constitution. Her business. Not mine or yours, either. She and the daddy. Libs cannot see logic. Nor the law, for that matter. "The government is 'forcing'.? Since they are not connected to her belly, there is no moment at which they would be forcing anything, is there.
As to vaccine, there are many arguments,... my only one, and the one that counts, is that it should not be mandated by Joe Biden. Thankyou.
Why say 'greater good' and give us the creeps. Marx? Individual good ad responsibility make more sense to me. Are you one of those guys that says we are all brothers. Even with the Chicago gangs? Naaa, I will stay independent, thank you, and you can be dependent on the group, and preach group think. My my, what would you do without the govt to lean on? Whew, the Common Good. You know, Zahlanzi, what's 'good' for you and Marauder may not be so 'good' in my mind. You are aware that good to you is to have me pay for someone else's abortion, for example. No matter what side you are on with that issue, how can it be good if I don't want to do it??
Do you realize, lib socialist that you are, that you JUST WROTE that you have to 'Force me to comply"? Jesus Christ.
Your comment on women suffering when they become pregnant....I don't even know what you are saying, but it implies that I am supposed to leave my office early, lock up, and run down the street to tend to this person, whom I do not know? Does that sound logical to you?
"Choice"? She chose to get pregnant. I wonder, while she was in the throes of passion, if she thought,'No problem, if I get pregnant, AvJoe, will take care of my problem">. I know you do not see now thick headed you are, which is a real Forum problem.
I have always said the law should except rape and incest victims. The govt should pay for a nice hospital procedure. So easy, non-brainer. Where do I vote?

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@averagejoe1 said
You are avoiding the main issue of Freedom, and respectfully,, I truly believe that libs have no concept of what freedom is. You do have a lot of faith in government, and that will, in the end, be our downfall. You all seem to have some measure of dependency going on in your lives,, the need for the govt to handle what are otherwise personal choices. Bad stuff.
As to ...[text shortened]... ...If she is poor, why did she risk getting pregnant? Food for thought, don't you think?
Whew.

In the midst of your endless nonsensical postings, I will touch down on the abortion issue.
Your past comments on a woman chooses to get pregnant when she chooses to have sex pretty sums up your out of touch view points on human sexuality and human nature in general.
The indoctrination of "sex is for pro-creation only" that has been hammered into you by religion your entire life is readily apparent here.

But to simplify your comment.....
The woman has bad luck to get pregnant when she took the risk to have sex.
Her choice.
Your quote in roughly the same words..

Her choice !! Her choice !!
Well ...... her choice is to terminate the unplanned pregnancy.
As you also said..... not the problem of TX.
So ??? why is TX getting involved in her reproductive decisions ??

@eladar said
You have been duped if you think covid is a serious threat to healthy people under 50.

Currently the United States has around one million new cases each week. Despite your claim to the contrary, it is serious problem for everyone.

@mghrn55 said
In the midst of your endless nonsensical postings, I will touch down on the abortion issue.
Your past comments on a woman chooses to get pregnant when she chooses to have sex pretty sums up your out of touch view points on human sexuality and human nature in general.
The indoctrination of "sex is for pro-creation only" that has been hammered into you by religion your entire ...[text shortened]... said..... not the problem of TX.
So ??? why is TX getting involved in her reproductive decisions ??

Funny, the abortion issue. You are picking out abortion, no reference whatsoever to the many issues brought on about loosing freedoms in this country.
Sonhouse has some real resounding threads on abortion you could chime in on. But suffice that when a woman engages in sex, she is choosing to take a chance on getting pregnant. I just hate it, but that is the way it is. Like, when I bought more Apple stock yesterday, I am taking a chance that it could go low and I will lose money.
I take a chance,, she takes a chance. It is Risk, MGHM. Let me know how that is an 'out of touch' viewpoint. Her choice, my choice.

Texas? She can abort the baby before 6 weeks. I , plus millions of other people, not you, think that that gives the mother-to-be plenty of time to change her mind about having a baby. After 6 weeks, some of us think that the beating heart should get to have a life. You don't.

@quackquack said
Currently the United States has around one million new cases each week. Despite your claim to the contrary, it is serious problem for everyone.

Oh of course people are going to get sick.

The question is if it is highly deadly or not. You are a pretty big wimp if you have a problem with people getting sick.