07 Dec 20
@moonbus saidActually Trump gave up on the idea of recounts a long time ago. His legal pleadings don't ask for recounts, but for courts to declare him the winner of States because the election was tainted by "fraud". One such case got slapped down this morning in Federal Court in Michigan:
That’s exactly why Trump wants recounts, because he thinks the results will change and vindicate him.
"But, to be perfectly clear, Plaintiffs’ equal protection claim is not supported by any allegation that Defendants’ alleged schemes caused votes for President Trump to be changed to votes for Vice President Biden. For example, the closest Plaintiffs get to alleging that physical ballots were altered in such a way is the following statement in an election challenger’s sworn affidavit: “I believe some of these workers were changing votes that had been cast for Donald Trump and other Republican candidates.”
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(ECF No. 6 at Pg ID 902 ¶ 91 (citing Aff. Articia Bomer, ECF No. 6-3 at Pg ID 1008-1010).) But of course, “[a] belief is not evidence” and falls far short of what is required to obtain any relief, much less the extraordinary relief Plaintiffs request.
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/michigan/2020/12/07/federal-judge-rejects-lawsuit-seeking-to-decertify-michigans-2020-election-results/[WORD TOO LONG]
07 Dec 20
@metal-brain saidNo surprise. No one will offer a definition of "evidence", because once they do, it will be easy to show how inconsistent they're thinking is by simply applying that definition in other contexts.
I keep hearing how Trump has no evidence of widespread voter fraud. What would skeptics of Trump's election fraud claims accept as evidence?
Define this evidence. Give me an example of evidence so you cannot change the criteria and say he didn't prove enough. I suspect any evidence would be called not evidence by a Biden supporter.
07 Dec 20
@techsouth saidTrump's lawyers and allies keep insisting there is "evidence" that the voting machines in Georgia "flipped" votes from Trump to Biden even though there was already a hand audit of every ballot showing no such thing.
No surprise. No one will offer a definition of "evidence", because once they do, it will be easy to show how inconsistent they're thinking is by simply applying that definition in other contexts.
Is there any reason to take such claims seriously?
07 Dec 20
@no1marauder saidI'm not fixated on any specific claim.
Trump's lawyers and allies keep insisting there is "evidence" that the voting machines in Georgia "flipped" votes from Trump to Biden even though there was already a hand audit of every ballot showing no such thing.
Is there any reason to take such claims seriously?
Still, you offer no generic definition of "evidence". Can you give a definition of "evidence" that would apply in courts cases that happened in 2019?
@techsouth saidYeah try asking MB for a definition of evidence, he seems to think it’s the words that come from Donald Trumps facial orifice, He’s offered a 45 minute Trump temper tantrum as evidence of actual electoral fraud.
No surprise. No one will offer a definition of "evidence", because once they do, it will be easy to show how inconsistent they're thinking is by simply applying that definition in other contexts.
These threads are a very tired joke now.
07 Dec 20
@kevcvs57 saidMany are saying there is no "evidence". It seems simple. Someone who says there is no evidence can define "evidence" in a generic form. Can anyone who says there is no evidence of election fraud provide a generic definition of "evidence"? A generic definition of evidence is a definition that could be used in any court case, thus I would expect it would be easy to give a definition without referring to this election.
Yeah try asking MB for a definition of evidence, he seems to think it’s the words that come from Donald Trumps facial orifice, He’s offered a 45 minute Trump temper tantrum as evidence of actual electoral fraud.
These threads are a very tired joke now.
Once we have a generic definition, we'll decide based on that definition makes sense when applied by the same standard to Trump's case and other cases that have nothing to do with Trump.
Still, I haven't seen a definition.
07 Dec 20
@techsouth said"Evidence" of Fraud can be provided in court-proof showing that votes (of a considerable number ) have been counted wrong and the ensuing results have been certified by the appropriate Body.
Many are saying there is no "evidence". It seems simple. Someone who says there is no evidence can define "evidence" in a generic form. Can anyone who says there is no evidence of election fraud provide a generic definition of "evidence"? A generic definition of evidence is a definition that could be used in any court case, thus I would expect it would be easy to give a ...[text shortened]... mp's case and other cases that have nothing to do with Trump.
Still, I haven't seen a definition.
Again: If there as anything resembling the shadow of a proof the Trump Campaign would Long have used that instead of getting snubbed every so often by court after court and by Judges who have been called to their bench by Trump himself ( so no sinister movements there).
07 Dec 20
@ponderable saidSo you think the words "evidence" and "proof" have identical meaning in regards to law?
"Evidence" of Fraud can be provided in court-proof showing that votes (of a considerable number ) have been counted wrong and the ensuing results have been certified by the appropriate Body.
Again: If there as anything resembling the shadow of a proof the Trump Campaign would Long have used that instead of getting snubbed every so often by court after court and by Judges who have been called to their bench by Trump himself ( so no sinister movements there).
07 Dec 20
@techsouth saidThe woman who said "all Chinese look alike"? https://www.indy100.com/news/trump-witness-voter-id-chinese-b1766247
Is this not evidence?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG2RkKBHX0M
I don't think most of you will watch this. It will invoke cognitive dissidence in the first 3 or 4 minutes and you'll feel too uncomfortable to keep watching.
Edit: for most of you, your news bubble will protect you from any such discomfort.
07 Dec 20
@techsouth
I have an idea: GOOGLE "Evidence". But that may be too hard for you.
Oh wait, I forgot, Google is fake news.
07 Dec 20
@techsouth saidMany are saying "no evidence of widespread fraud". That is accurate as most of these claims have been quickly dismissed in relevant courts.
Many are saying there is no "evidence". It seems simple. Someone who says there is no evidence can define "evidence" in a generic form. Can anyone who says there is no evidence of election fraud provide a generic definition of "evidence"? A generic definition of evidence is a definition that could be used in any court case, thus I would expect it would be easy to give a ...[text shortened]... mp's case and other cases that have nothing to do with Trump.
Still, I haven't seen a definition.
As to definitions:
"The establishment of a fact by the use of evidence. Anything that can make a person believe that a fact or proposition is true or false. It is distinguishable from evidence in that proof is a broad term comprehending everything that may be adduced at a trial, whereas evidence is a narrow term describing certain types of proof that can be admitted at trial." https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Proof
07 Dec 20
@Duchess64
I guess we were mistaken to have declared war on Japan after Dec 7 1941, today is BTW, the 79th anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor.