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13 Oct 22
14 Oct 22
@metal-brain saidThe link, which you obviously didn't read, *does* mention emissions from EV manufacturing plants.
@vivify
You forgot to include the carbon emissions from manufacturing an electric vehicle.
Why do GW alarmists always ignore that?
Had you read the link you wouldn't look like an a-hole right now for your post.
@vivify saidOh goody, they mentioned it but didn't count it. I am so impressed.
The link, which you obviously didn't read, *does* mention emissions from EV manufacturing plants.
Had you read the link you wouldn't look like an a-hole right now for your post.
https://www.industryweek.com/technology-and-iiot/article/22026518/lithium-batteries-dirty-secret-manufacturing-them-leaves-massive-carbon-footprint
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-11-03/cop26-evs-aren-t-as-green-as-you-think-the-supply-chain-is-carbon-intensive
What your deceitful alarmist friends will not tell you is that the battery life is limited and you will need to buy another after 10 to 15 years and making those batteries emits a lot of carbon. EVs are not a solution and you have to plug them in. You don't have to do that with a gas powered vehicle. EVs are also ridiculously expensive, so much so the government is subsidizing these carbon emitters. All because people like you think they are a solution when they are not.
@metal-brain saidMerely admitting electric car batteries have problems is not an argument against developing them. That's like dumping the internet because of dial-up. Even the writer of your article said cars with internal combustion engines need to be phased out and soon:
Oh goody, they mentioned it but didn't count it. I am so impressed.
https://www.industryweek.com/technology-and-iiot/article/22026518/lithium-batteries-dirty-secret-manufacturing-them-leaves-massive-carbon-footprint
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-11-03/cop26-evs-aren-t-as-green-as-you-think-the-supply-chain-is-carbon-intensive
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-11-09/please-stop-i-m-tired-of-hearing-about-big-climate-goals-from-automakers?leadSource=uverify%20wall
Your own source agrees gas-powered vehicles need to go.
What your deceitful alarmist friends will not tell you is that the battery life is limited and you will need to buy another after 10 to 15
Oh, only 10 or 15 years?
https://www.forbes.com/wheels/advice/how-long-do-car-batteries-last/
"few car batteries ever see five years of service, much less six or seven"
But keep keep bitching about an electric car's 10 or 15 years.
14 Oct 22
@vivify saidEVs do not cut CO2 emissions. Stop comparing 12 volt car batteries to lithium ion batteries to power the car. You just made a ridiculous comparison. You need to admit EVs will not reduce CO2 emissions. Fooling yourself and throwing money at a problem it will not solve is not helping.
Merely admitting electric car batteries have problems is not an argument against developing them. That's like dumping the internet because of dial-up. Even the writer of your article said cars with internal combustion engines need to be phased out and soon:
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-11-09/please-stop-i-m-tired-of-hearing-about-big-climate-goals-from- ...[text shortened]... f service, much less six or seven"
But keep keep bitching about an electric car's 10 or 15 years.
https://www.industryweek.com/technology-and-iiot/article/22026518/lithium-batteries-dirty-secret-manufacturing-them-leaves-massive-carbon-footprint
There is not enough lithium to go around to eliminate internal combustion engines. If we continue down this course we will be invading countries for their lithium. Are you suggesting disposing EVs after the battery is junk? Those batteries cost over 1/3 of the entire cost of an EV. For that reason alone internal combustion engines are here to stay.
I will never buy an EV unless I get a good price on a used one. I don't buy new vehicles I have to plug in. Electricity is also inefficient. You burn mostly fossil fuels to convert it into electricity. Much of it is generated with natural gas which is mostly methane gas. Every NG well that is drilled releases NG into the atmosphere so you are actually making GW worse if you accept methane is a greenhouse gas that causes GW.
https://www.nrdc.org/onearth/natural-gas-industry-has-methane-problem
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/methane-leaks-erase-some-of-the-climate-benefits-of-natural-gas/
I know you don't want to let go of your religion, but EVs will make things worse. You have a methane problem too. Take off your blinders and accept the science.
14 Oct 22
@AverageJoe1
Tell me, did Trump lead the attempted coup on Jan 6? Do you still puke out the same BS Trump lie that the election was 'Stolen'?
If there was any truth to that why have THIRTY trump associates taken the fifth at the committee?
Do you even see that attack as an assault on democracy?
14 Oct 22
@sonhouse saidIt is only a lie if he does not believe it when he says it.
@AverageJoe1
Tell me, did Trump lead the attempted coup on Jan 6? Do you still puke out the same BS Trump lie that the election was 'Stolen'?
If there was any truth to that why have THIRTY trump associates taken the fifth at the committee?
Do you even see that attack as an assault on democracy?
Does he believe it or not?
14 Oct 22
@metal-brain saidNo he categorically knew there was no election steal because the people he hired to find it by hook or by crook told him there categorically was no large scale fraud that would’ve have changed the result.
It is only a lie if he does not believe it when he says it.
Does he believe it or not?
He set out to steal the White House by force and threats of retribution for those that would not lie to support his claim.
14 Oct 22
@mghrn55 saidI hate to disagree but Trump did show excellent leadership on Jan 6, unfortunately he was leading the murderous seditious mob that he sent to the capital, by tweet mainly being the cowardly draft dodger that he is.
Further on the events of Jan 6, it has been said that Pelosi and Pence were the 2 most impressive people of the day.
They both realized that the transfer of power should not be disrupted.
Leadership from the White House was non-existent.
@kevcvs57 saidI told you lots of things you refused to believe too. Does that make you a liar?
No he categorically knew there was no election steal because the people he hired to find it by hook or by crook told him there categorically was no large scale fraud that would’ve have changed the result.
He set out to steal the White House by force and threats of retribution for those that would not lie to support his claim.
If he believes it is true it is not a lie. People told him mail in voting increasing the chances of voter fraud too and he didn't believe it and he was right. The news media said that claim he made was false and it was not false. It was the news media that lied.
Since he was right about mail in voting all along why should he believe the nay sayers again? You have no proof he didn't believe what he said. You all are jumping to conclusions without proof. Should we believe you can read his mind?
Stop calling it a lie until you can prove he knew it was not true. If you don't you will be the liar.
14 Oct 22
@metal-brain saidI've invested in EV batteries. You fellers will pay up to $20k to replace them. I will make money, because as I have always said, your side will win in the end, EV's will abound!!! I love this country, make money on liberal progressivism!!!!
Oh goody, they mentioned it but didn't count it. I am so impressed.
https://www.industryweek.com/technology-and-iiot/article/22026518/lithium-batteries-dirty-secret-manufacturing-them-leaves-massive-carbon-footprint
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-11-03/cop26-evs-aren-t-as-green-as-you-think-the-supply-chain-is-carbon-intensive
What your deceitful ...[text shortened]... zing these carbon emitters. All because people like you think they are a solution when they are not.
in re above comments, why don;'t y'all speak to the cost in energy of making the things??
@metal-brain saidNo you’ve told me lots of lies that I’m not retarded enough to believe.
I told you lots of things you refused to believe too. Does that make you a liar?
If he believes it is true it is not a lie. People told him mail in voting increasing the chances of voter fraud too and he didn't believe it and he was right. The news media said that claim he made was false and it was not false. It was the news media that lied.
Since he was right about m ...[text shortened]... top calling it a lie until you can prove he knew it was not true. If you don't you will be the liar.
DONALD TRUMP KNEW HE HAD LOST THE ELECTION HE SIMPLY DID CARE ABOUT THE CHOICE OF THE ELECTORATE OR THE OATH OF OFFICE HE TOOK WHEN HE DID WIN IN 2016.
You really need to stop lying about this now you are looking increasingly unhinged and detached from reality.
@sonhouse saidTrump?!? How bout predict his fate, I guess I better see what this is all about. Does he do time?
@AverageJoe1
Tell me, did Trump lead the attempted coup on Jan 6? Do you still puke out the same BS Trump lie that the election was 'Stolen'?
If there was any truth to that why have THIRTY trump associates taken the fifth at the committee?
Do you even see that attack as an assault on democracy?
14 Oct 22
@kevcvs57 saidI told you the truth and you are lying as usual. Didn't your parents raise you better than that?
No you’ve told me lots of lies that I’m not retarded enough to believe.
DONALD TRUMP KNEW HE HAD LOST THE ELECTION HE SIMPLY DID CARE ABOUT THE CHOICE OF THE ELECTORATE OR THE OATH OF OFFICE HE TOOK WHEN HE DID WIN IN 2016.
You really need to stop lying about this now you are looking increasingly unhinged and detached from reality.
14 Oct 22
@metal-brain saidLibs here will be unhappy if he does not go to jail. We will be happy if he does not go to jail. We need him, to save our country. Our wrecked country needs leadership. At l least we would know who is leading.
I told you the truth and you are lying as usual. Didn't your parents raise you better than that?
Who do y'all think is really running DC? we know it is not the President.