@metal-brain saidForget the number of infections. Unless you’re using the numbers to understand the trend (speculative R-number; for future policy roll-out), it’s not very important and too inaccurate.
It is not a conspiracy theory. Here is my source, the CDC. Here is an excerpt from the CDC link below:
"As of May 1, 2021, CDC transitioned from monitoring all reported vaccine breakthrough cases to focus on identifying and investigating only hospitalized or fatal cases due to any cause. This shift will help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greate ...[text shortened]... osted the information on my thread "CDC data manipulation" from a CHD link. Didn't read it, did you?
What you have to look at is hospital numbers. How many people hospitalized? How many people in IC?
That’s what this has been about since day 1 (or day 150 or so in the US). I’ve explained this 100 times on this bloody site before.
Can the hospitals cope or not. That is the core of the strategy. It’s also the numbers used to determine what is working and what’s not.
For example, from the CDC:
https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/covidnet/COVID19_5.html
Here you can see the hospitalization of elderly start to drop after the vaccinations were being rolled out to them first.
The less strain on the hospitals, the more relaxed the measures can become.
It is, as of yet, not known how much less transmission occurs after vaccination. Speculative, they have noticed a drop. There is no proof.
And don’t forget, vaccinations don’t make you unable to catch a disease. That’s another misconception. A vaccine trains your body to fight a disease. So, WHEN you catch it, it’s less severe = less hospitalizations = crisis contained.
When more than 80% of a population is vaccinated, the R-number really drops. The disease basically multiplies less = less mutations.
18 May 21
@sonhouse saidHe hopes to put people in the west off getting the vaccine, for the same twisted scumbag reason he argued against lockdowns, social distancing and masks.
@Metal-Brain
Tell me, what do you hope to gain by all this trolling bullshyte?
Do you think you are disassembling the world of science, where you are ALWAYS right and real scientists, you know, those guys who dedicated 30 odd years getting a Phd in their field, of COURSE those guys don't know their ass from a hole in the ground, since all they want is to advance up the p ...[text shortened]... ht?
All they want is some million dollar research grant so they don't have to do a REAL job, right?
He’s a nasty piece of work who constantly chunders on about the evil ‘Gates’ duo whilst saying not a dickie bird about the truly evil billionaire Sackler family.
18 May 21
@shavixmir saidYou are contradicting yourself.
Forget the number of infections. Unless you’re using the numbers to understand the trend (speculative R-number; for future policy roll-out), it’s not very important and too inaccurate.
What you have to look at is hospital numbers. How many people hospitalized? How many people in IC?
That’s what this has been about since day 1 (or day 150 or so in the US). I’ve explain ...[text shortened]... on is vaccinated, the R-number really drops. The disease basically multiplies less = less mutations.
If the vaccines are working there is no hospital strain. Acknowledging hospital strain is acknowledging the vaccines are not working.
Make up your mind. You cannot have it both ways.
18 May 21
@no1marauder saidAre you claiming the CDC did not change the way they count "vaccine breakthroughs"? Yes or no?
They don't count the unvaccinated at all in stats regarding "vaccine breakthroughs".
The section you keep quoting from is clearly labelled:
"Identifying and investigating hospitalized or fatal vaccine breakthrough cases"
Why you think it includes unvaccinated persons is a mystery.
18 May 21
@sonhouse saidYou are endorsing pseudoscience, not science.
@Metal-Brain
Tell me, what do you hope to gain by all this trolling bullshyte?
Do you think you are disassembling the world of science, where you are ALWAYS right and real scientists, you know, those guys who dedicated 30 odd years getting a Phd in their field, of COURSE those guys don't know their ass from a hole in the ground, since all they want is to advance up the p ...[text shortened]... ht?
All they want is some million dollar research grant so they don't have to do a REAL job, right?
They changed the way they count "vaccine breakthroughs".
Do you deny that?
18 May 21
@metal-brain saidWhat?
You are contradicting yourself.
If the vaccines are working there is no hospital strain. Acknowledging hospital strain is acknowledging the vaccines are not working.
Make up your mind. You cannot have it both ways.
Whar are you babbling about?
Seriously. Stop drinking meth.
18 May 21
@Metal-Brain
Oh, households with more than ten members are excluded.
WOW. What a HUGE difference THAT will make in the stats considering there are so many TENS of millions of families with a dozen kids.
Give it up, you are a card carrying IDIOT.
18 May 21
@sonhouse saidAll the more reason they should be included. You have hoisted yourself by your own petard with your own logic.
@Metal-Brain
Oh, households with more than ten members are excluded.
WOW. What a HUGE difference THAT will make in the stats considering there are so many TENS of millions of families with a dozen kids.
Give it up, you are a card carrying IDIOT.