Where your money goes, With LINKS!!!!, Marauder.

@averagejoe1 said
Will someone jump in here and tell this foreigner that I have said that on many occasions? It makes sense, why would I not say it? But what will amaze you, Zajhlanzi, is that everyone else should take care of themselves. That's a tough one for libs.

You were saying you shouldn't be paying for the college of your neighbour's third or fourth or whatever kid if you don't have kids.
You constantly say poor people are poor because they are stupid or lazy (or both).
You constantly say walmart/amazon/mcdonalds employees should just quit and move states to get to a mythical better paying job (that is totally available for them)

These are just the ones i remember without searching through your posts (sure as hell won't put in the effort to bring you more proof for your obvious lies)


But it would be hilarious to play your game for a bit. Let's assume you really did say we should help the less fortunate. What exactly do you mean it should be done for those poor americans? Healthcare? Education? Housing?

"everyone else should take care of themselves.:"
Yep you really said that, a lot. Without the "else" though.

@averagejoe1 said
Will someone jump in here and tell this foreigner that I have said that on many occasions? It makes sense, why would I not say it? But what will amaze you, Zajhlanzi, is that everyone else should take care of themselves. That's a tough one for libs.

"Will someone jump in here and tell this foreigner "
Contrary to what many americans think, you don't actually own everything. This is an international community, you narcissistic american douchebag. It's not an "americans & misc" community.

@mott-the-hoople said
just not true. We were making it just fine without illegals. The lower educated legal citizens are hurt worst by this, fat cat businessmen profit the most.

So by the sounds of it you would support a minimum livable wage right?

@averagejoe1 said
Huh???
You on the wrong thread?

You claim to know why the USA is 'bankrupt' (well, morally it certainly is, and has been since 1776), and gave some numbers. I pointed out that those numbers are piddlingly little compared to the enormous amounts spent to make sure the rich get richer and the poor poorer. Your links are not the problem. Bezos, Raytheon and Exxon are.

@no1marauder said
We know your opinion is that adoption of anything that displeases rich folks will destroy the country.

The spending increases proposed in Bernie's budget are less than 2% of GNP. It should be child's play to find sufficient tax revenue to finance that considering how much top rates and corporate taxes have been reduced in the last 40 years. And it will buy and expand programs which the People support.

You are almost right. But you say "...that displeases rich folks". That is wrong, you should say "...that displeases successful folks".

@zahlanzi said
You were saying you shouldn't be paying for the college of your neighbour's third or fourth or whatever kid if you don't have kids.
You constantly say poor people are poor because they are stupid or lazy (or both).
You constantly say walmart/amazon/mcdonalds employees should just quit and move states to get to a mythical better paying job (that is totally available for th ...[text shortened]... else should take care of themselves.:"
Yep you really said that, a lot. Without the "else" though.

I will restate. The USA govt should totally pay for healthcare, food and housing for the poor. We already pay for education. This is a no-brainer. Of course, all other welfare-handout programs would be canceled, which leaves plenty of money to pay for the poor. The programs will be canceled because we need not pay for
people who are not poor. They can live any life they want, it is a free country.

So where in this am I wrong? Do you disagree with this concept? I will be surprised if you do. It is common sense

Yes, Free College is not feasible, it would be rife with fraud and would break the bank. (and dilute the quality of the education)
As to your McDonald /Walmart comment, those are low paying jobs which people do while they look for another job that pays more. I don't get your problem with that statement. And there are 9M jobs available. Some are content (my 'they want to be poor' comments) in low paying jobs. I can;'t imagine. But, the are. They are not my problem, or that of the government. It is a free country.
I know a 65 year old man who has been cutting the same grass at the same golf club for 35 years. He is content. Can we leave him alone, please,,,,,it is his business. Hell, sometimes I envy him, he is quite at peace, probably humming some Zen.

@averagejoe1 said
I will restate. The USA govt should totally pay for healthcare, food and housing for the poor. We already pay for education. This is a no-brainer. Of course, all other welfare-handout programs would be canceled, which leaves plenty of money to pay for the poor. The programs will be canceled because we need not pay for
people who are not poor. They can live any life t ...[text shortened]... ,,,it is his business. Hell, sometimes I envy him, he is quite at peace, probably humming some Zen.

"The USA govt should totally pay for healthcare, food and housing for the poor"
Who are the poor.

"We already pay for education"
As long as it is clear you only pay up to highschool. And the school budget is tied to district taxes which means the poor get the worst schools which keeps them poor.

" Of course, all other welfare-handout programs would be canceled"
Like what. And where is the cutoff. Help with housing should only be provided to people making 0-15k a year? How about the ones making a dollar over 15k? How about the ones making 30k? They don't deserve housing? They don't deserve healthcare?

"Yes, Free College is not feasible, it would be rife with fraud and would break the bank."
Says who?

"As to your McDonald /Walmart comment, those are low paying jobs which people do while they look for another job that pays more"
How will they look for another job that pays more if they must work double shifts just to make ends meet? Why do you need to have low paying jobs? Are you saying we don't actually need people to stock shelves at Walmart? How come in the richest country in the world, you have jobs that are almost indentured servitude?

You are right that they are low paying jobs. The fact that people have no choice but to do them for years is America failing them and not providing upward mobility.

"And there are 9M jobs available."
The same tired talking point. I can't be bothered to even check if the number is correct since it's a dumb argument no matter how many jobs are available.
A job 1000 miles away doesn't help someone who doesn't know how to do that job. A job in an expensive city doesn't help someone who can't afford to pay rent there (and right now, a minimum wage salary doesn't pay rent ANYWHERE in the US)
A job 1000 miles away that would make your wife/husband leave theirs wouldn't help much.

" Some are content (my 'they want to be poor' comments) in low paying jobs."
And some have no choice other than to be in those low paying jobs. The fear of starving, the fear of losing one's healthcare (if it's even provided in the first place), the lack of skills for any other job are quite powerful incentives to work for pennies.

"I know a 65 year old man"
I am fed up with who you know, imaginary or not. The US is not made up of only people you know, it has 300+million people in it.

@zahlanzi said
"Will someone jump in here and tell this foreigner "
Contrary to what many americans think, you don't actually own everything. This is an international community, you narcissistic american douchebag. It's not an "americans & misc" community.

If you write posts about the USA, then it is appropriate to refer to you as a foreigner in such a case. It points out that you are chastising our country, and it is REAL easy to refer to you as a foreigner, given your audacity to comment on the way we run our country. Hey, ask anyone on the forum if they even know the name of the person who is in charge in your country. Ha, I don't even know what his title is! President, PM, Boss,...what?

@zahlanzi said
"The USA govt should totally pay for healthcare, food and housing for the poor"
Who are the poor.

"We already pay for education"
As long as it is clear you only pay up to highschool. And the school budget is tied to district taxes which means the poor get the worst schools which keeps them poor.

" Of course, all other welfare-handout programs would be canceled"
L ...[text shortened]... w, imaginary or not. The US is not made up of only people you know, it has 300+million people in it.

Man, this has all been discussed. But I will enlighten you on the whole post. When libs talk about living wage (which has never been defined) we have start with the premise of who is earning the wage. I myself could live on $15/hr, which is about $30K. We OK so far? Now, if I had decided to have a wife and 2 children, that is poor planning on my part. I need two jobs, and hopefully better jobs. Hey, I gotta really go to work. Are you with me?? And, you do understand that $15/hr is $30K? What is it with the $15K? You talking about a kid in high school? And is $30K indentured servitude? You are off the wall! And what do you mean by "they deserve healthcare"??
Now, somewhere in here, and as you suggest above, you seem to think that the govt needs to stop what it is doing and key in on this stupid person....that they should get him a 'living wage'.
I totally disagree. He needs to start planning better. That is my 2 cents. And he needs to teach his kids how to be successful in the land of opportunity. Whew.
An agency should sit down (libs and conservatives) and decide who meets the category of 'Poor". Basically, people who are destitute. If someone is able to work and make money, he is not poor. The little lawn mowing guy with clients all over the neighborhood is not poor. If he has 3 starving children at home, the family is poor and there would be a place for them in my concept, although I would think the father still should shoulder some load. Don't you think the father, who created this mess, should shoulder some load? Whew. Hard to explain stuff to a socialist. How bout you explain to me why you should send me some money to educate my son?

@averagejoe1 said
Man, this has all been discussed. But I will enlighten you on the whole post. When libs talk about living wage (which has never been defined) we have start with the premise of who is earning the wage. I myself could live on $15/hr, which is about $30K. We OK so far? Now, if I had decided to have a wife and 2 children, that is poor planning on my part. I need two jobs, ...[text shortened]... tuff to a socialist. How bout you explain to me why you should send me some money to educate my son?

Like I said, you have the world view of an ideological simpleton.

That you make fun of someone from another country because you don't know the name of their leader is not a reflection of them.
It's a reflection of the general ignorance of the American people.

I should take that back. Most of the American people have a pretty decent knowledge of things outside their country.
They're called liberals.
Conservatives basically know what FOX, Breitbart, etc feeds them.
I'd add Qanon to the list. But I'm only talking about round Earth media outlets.

@mghrn55 said
Like I said, you have the world view of an ideological simpleton.

That you make fun of someone from another country because you don't know the name of their leader is not a reflection of them.
It's a reflection of the general ignorance of the American people.

I should take that back. Most of the American people have a pretty decent knowledge of things outside their cou ...[text shortened]... t, etc feeds them.
I'd add Qanon to the list. But I'm only talking about round Earth media outlets.

Call it making fun, its OK, Im not upset.
These people are constantly putting us down, even to the extent that we are not the greatest, which we certainly are. In my opinion, they are jealous. Note that everything seems to be English here. I can't exactly go on a Norway website and type in English.......But NOTE that all these people in other countries write perfectly English and know the names of our leaders.
So, they just have big eyes trained on the USA, but we don't know squat about their countries. You can say you do all day long as a liberal, being so academic and all. I think you may be stretching a bit,.....Who is the president of Lichenstein? No fair googling.
And I'm not going to google Romania president name. Don't care. Do they make anything that we exchange for? We make plenty for them.