29 Jan 23
And is it morally justified that some own land that they cannot personally use but require others, who have been dispossessed of their liberty to go where they please and hunt and gather, to work for them?Well, use this post to finally tell us what you dance around but never say.
Let us for sake of argument say that Mr. Moneypenny, who risked his life savings to start a biz and create jobs, got rich, owns some land that he cannot personally use. He invites (not requires, which is illegal slavery) workers to work for a wage.
Can you PLEASE entertain us with your problems about this? Morality, whatever?
Your last sentence, is superfluous, telling us the the workers were dispossessed or some such, but that has nothing to do with my question here.
We are all waiting.
29 Jan 23
@athousandyoung saidIf it wasn't for the government protecting you then you wouldn't have any property.
Yeah I believe in the type of property rights that don't require the government to enforce.
It would have been taken already.
29 Jan 23
@no1marauder saidLocke would probably have said that working the land made it one’s own, in the absence of any prior claim on it, with the proviso that there be as much and as good land for the next homesteader.
I wasn't really thinking about countries per se. More like, what gives Guy A the legitimate power to say "1000 acres of Martian dirt is now my property and no one can use it without my permission."
Saying Country Z gave him that power is just kicking the can down the road.
It was the unfortunate lot of Native Americans that they had no concept of land ownership, any more than we have a concept owning sunlight. So when Europeans offered the natives colored beads for ‘their’ land, it did not occur to the natives that that would entail they couldn’t live and hunt there any more.
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29 Jan 23
@no1marauder saidSeems similar thought processes like to use the many terrible deeds of the human worlds past evolution to help make strong points about how their idea of the world should be today. Along with using all the many things pretend to hate to make their points.
I thought I already explained the distinction between personal and private property (as well as providing a quote from a site doing so).
I'm not going to keep doing so just because you aren't trying to grasp it.
For this world to have grown in the most spectacular ways then some things must have been done right, systems, processes, laws, acceptable term’s on everything(please don’t be stupid). Yes many bad things go on and everything’s been done everywhere but don’t use it as point maker, it isn’t one and I do feel the worlds a better place than then. PDBS.
Now let’s say everything goes in your direction of thought everyone’s equal in your eyes, owns nothing, produces unequally, how silent , happy do think everyone’s going to be then. Do you have a plan or structure for the one you just destroyed and set up since time and has grown in every way? hmmm.. Any other reasons for any noticed personal agendas out there??
29 Jan 23
@mike69 said
Seems similar thought processes like to use the many terrible deeds of the human worlds past evolution to help make strong points about how their idea of the world should be today. Along with using all the many things pretend to hate to make their points.
For this world to have grown in the most spectacular ways then some things must have been done right, systems, processe ...[text shortened]... e and has grown in every way? hmmm.. Any other reasons for any noticed personal agendas out there??
Now let’s say everything goes in your direction of thought everyone’s equal in your eyes, owns nothing,
Straw man. No1 never said that. Neither did I.
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29 Jan 23
@athousandyoung saidIt’s called insight and logic. The sheep will be mad when they realize they’ve been deceived for a greater goal that had nothing to do with them or even truly caring about them and everything goes away.Now let’s say everything goes in your direction of thought everyone’s equal in your eyes, owns nothing,
Straw man. No1 never said that. Neither did I.
@mike69 saidAre you kidding, Mike69? Marauder will entertain us all with the greatest segue ever in not answering you . I am blue in the face. He will soon have to backtrack,, maybe by starting with what we should have done when we discovered the Indians, on land which we later took from them.
Seems similar thought processes like to use the many terrible deeds of the human worlds past evolution to help make strong points about how their idea of the world should be today. Along with using all the many things pretend to hate to make their points.
For this world to have grown in the most spectacular ways then some things must have been done right, systems, processe ...[text shortened]... e and has grown in every way? hmmm.. Any other reasons for any noticed personal agendas out there??
Ive asked him repeatedly if we should have turned the ships around and look for some other land,,,,,he will not answer
29 Jan 23
@booger saidNo you aren't you liar he's an ex-cop, ex-Marine sniper, Golden Gloves boxing champion who lives for his granddaughter and vengeance for his son.
@AThousandYoung
I'm Mike Ehrmantraut
You're Jack but without the guns. White prison convict.
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30 Jan 23
@averagejoe1 saidIt was frustrating, I was just wanting to discuss it with him because it didn’t make any sense to me. I wasn’t being rude or anything just curious? By reading his comments and his act of all knowledgeable on the subjects in this forum with professional looking profile picture to match, I just figured he would be the person to ask for maybe something I was truly missing. There is so much I see out there in popular land I don’t get I was just needing some re-education for help.
Are you kidding, Mike69? Marauder will entertain us all with the greatest segue ever in not answering you . I am blue in the face. He will soon have to backtrack,, maybe by starting with what we should have done when we discovered the Indians, on land which we later took from them.
Ive asked him repeatedly if we should have turned the ships around and look for some other land,,,,,he will not answer