25 Aug 04
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Originally posted by pradtfI agree, for all I know the Lake of fire is just that, the place they
it is a belief and we all hold various ones.
it is unlikely we shall be able to prove it one way or another 'scientifically' (whatever that might mean), so i really don't see any purpose in debating it.
i personally liked the idea iv ...[text shortened]... i thought that only lucifer was cast down?
in friendship,
prad
go for the eternal separation from God. How it manifests itself
calling it a lake of fire may simply be what we would call it if we
had to give it a description.
As far as who was cast down goes they lost their place there.
Revelation 12: 7-9
And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against
the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was
not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. The great
dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or
Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth,
and his angels with him.
The lake is for them when the time comes, they did not make it.
Sorry I missed that part of your post the first time I read it.
25 Aug 04
Originally posted by KellyJaythank you, kellyjay! much appreciated.
He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
i find this very interesting too. i always (mistakenly) thought that lucifer was cast into hell. i see from what you quoted that he was hurled to the earth instead. i vaguely recall from high school bible study that our teacher said that certain branches of christianity consider the stay on earth to be the actual hell. if lucifer was sent to earth, it is understandable that he would have created hell right here. by that reasoning (and my knowledge is very deficient here), perhaps jesus was showing us not so much a way to avoid hell, but to actually get out of it.
in friendship,
prad
25 Aug 04
Originally posted by pradtfI do not give Satan/Lucifer credit for creating much of anything.
thank you, kellyjay! much appreciated.
i find this very interesting too. i always (mistakenly) thought that lucifer was cast into hell. i see from what you quoted that he was hurled to the earth instead. i vaguely recall from high school bible study that our teacher said that certain branches of christianity consider the stay on earth to be the actual hell ...[text shortened]... owing us not so much a way to avoid hell, but to actually get out of it.
in friendship,
prad
He pollutes more than anything else, the laws he twists, our
lives he ruins. Creating isn't something I'd give him credit for
besides new ways of twisting good things into something they
were not meant to be. Which is where the world finds itself
today, we are doing to one another things that should never
ever be done.
I'd say Jesus was simply telling us it is a place to be avoided,
and when he (Jesus) said, "What does it prohit a man if he gains
the world and loses his soul?" He invites us to keep things in
proper perspective in this life, knowing that this time is short and
what is to come isn't.
25 Aug 04
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Originally posted by KellyJayagreed and very well stated!
Which is where the world finds itself today, we are doing to one another things that should never ever be done.
... he (Jesus) said, "What does it prohit a man if he gains the world and loses his soul?"
jesus' words remind me, interestingly enough, of what Thomas Huxley (creator of agnosticism) once said, "O devil! truth is better than much profit."
and surely it is truth that our souls, even when abandoned, yearn for us to see.
it has been a pleasure talking to you and thinking again about these things, kellyjay.
in friendship,
prad
26 Aug 04
Originally posted by KellyJayLucifer tryd to get his own kingdom, so as punishment......he got his own kingdom?
I do not give Satan/Lucifer credit for creating much of anything.
He pollutes more than anything else, the laws he twists, our
lives he ruins. Creating isn't something I'd give him credit for
besides new ways of twisting good things into something they
were not meant to be. Which is where the world finds itself
today, we are doing to one another thin ...[text shortened]... n
proper perspective in this life, knowing that this time is short and
what is to come isn't.
The serpand tickd adam and eve so as punishment....he had to crawl on his belly? Not much of a punishment for a snake dont you think?
27 Aug 04
i enjoy kill em movies as they are my escapeism, but that doesnt not mean i want to kill in life, i do get anoyed with people who see something in a soap opera then campain for society to change???? quoteing this as an example of life!!! actors do not get raped, killed, married,etc its an illoution.