01 Sep 23
@metal-brain saidEvery time you call her "Hitlery", you've automatically lost the argument, you know that, right?
Hitlery did many of the same things Trump did. HRC deleted emails to destroy evidence which is what people have accused Trump of doing with video footage. Hitlery claimed Trump stole the election from her in 2016. She did the "stop the steal" thing before Trump. She was mishandling classified information and some ended up on Anthony Weiner's laptop computer which could ha ...[text shortened]... tinue to deny these facts and falsely call me a liar every time I remind him of it? He knows. Right?
@metal-brain saidEverything?
What did I lie about? Give us all one example.
"he’s been indicted for attempting to subvert the outcome of the election by numerous means in a conspiracy with others"
In other words, his speech. He said things you didn't like.
You don't have any actions you can point to. Only words.
Trump's crimes are not about free speech.
01 Sep 23
@metal-brain saidHe organised a list of fake electors
Prove it. Make your point without saying he said this or that.
Go ahead. We are all waiting.
He threatened electoral officials in order to coerce them to find non existent votes for himself
He ordered his vice president to refuse to validate the true electors
To name but a few things he did.
These indictments have zero to do with free speech and everything to do with an attempted coup
@kevcvs57 saidThey are called alternate electors and there is nothing illegal about that. Falsely calling them fake does not win the argument.
He organised a list of fake electors
He threatened electoral officials in order to coerce them to find non existent votes for himself
He ordered his vice president to refuse to validate the true electors
To name but a few things he did.
These indictments have zero to do with free speech and everything to do with an attempted coup
Trump didn't threaten electoral officials. Stop lying!
Ordered? Pence did not follow through so what order? Prove it was an order just like I told you to prove a request was a threat. You cannot do it and besides, you are pointing out things Trump said just as I predicted you would. This is about free speech. You are calling words actions again. You are calling words (and not even words he actually said) an attempted coup.
How are words actions? How are words an attempted coup. Even if he lied the very indictment said he has a right to lie. You are trying to make words actions again. You are making requests threats and they were not threats. If you have to lie to win a debate you have already lost.
@metal-brain saidListen to his phone call again dummy he threatened the guy with consequences if he didn’t find the required number of votes
They are called alternate electors and there is nothing illegal about that. Falsely calling them fake does not win the argument.
Trump didn't threaten electoral officials. Stop lying!
Ordered? Pence did not follow through so what order? Prove it was an order just like I told you to prove a request was a threat. You cannot do it and besides, you are pointing out thin ...[text shortened]... equests threats and they were not threats. If you have to lie to win a debate you have already lost.
Alternate electors are only done if there is a VALID LEGAL dispute concerning the election returns there was none they were fake electors to be employed when pence caved and refused to ratify the real electors vote.
Your so stupid, do you fancy buying an ‘alternative’ Rolex, it’s an unwanted Christmas present, hence the low price 😂
01 Sep 23
@kevcvs57 saidWhat consequences? What are you imagining now? And once again you have a problem with speech. This is about Trump's words that you didn't like. He requested that he find votes. There was no threat. You want to criminalize requesting the findings of possible vote fraud. That is the threat to democracy right there.
Listen to his phone call again dummy he threatened the guy with consequences if he didn’t find the required number of votes
Alternate electors are only done if there is a VALID LEGAL dispute concerning the election returns there was none they were fake electors to be employed when pence caved and refused to ratify the real electors vote.
Your so stupid, do you fancy buying an ‘alternative’ Rolex, it’s an unwanted Christmas present, hence the low price 😂
If the alternate electors did something wrong that is on them. How is Trump responsible for the actions of others? Because of his words, right? You want to criminalize free speech and not just any speech. You want the most precious freedom of speech of all outlawed, political speech!
You sir are the real threat to democracy. You want to prevent Trump from running for another term so people can vote for him. You are afraid of what the majority will vote for, so to save the world from Trump you must prevent people from voting him in power again. So you want to subvert democracy to save it, right? You cannot allow the stupid majority to decide if they want Trump again. Because they might want him, right? The majority cannot be trusted, right?
01 Sep 23
@kevcvs57 saidThreatened them with what? What was the threat? With a gun which he acquired by falsifying an application, for which he was sent to prison for the adjudicated 10 years?
He organised a list of fake electors
He threatened electoral officials in order to coerce them to find non existent votes for himself
He ordered his vice president to refuse to validate the true electors
To name but a few things he did.
These indictments have zero to do with free speech and everything to do with an attempted coup
I find lib arguments to be,,,,,how do you say....out of balance?
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01 Sep 23
@metal-brain said“Trump didn't threaten electoral officials. Stop lying! ”
They are called alternate electors and there is nothing illegal about that. Falsely calling them fake does not win the argument.
Trump didn't threaten electoral officials. Stop lying!
Ordered? Pence did not follow through so what order? Prove it was an order just like I told you to prove a request was a threat. You cannot do it and besides, you are pointing out thin ...[text shortened]... equests threats and they were not threats. If you have to lie to win a debate you have already lost.
their whole argument hinges on this…AND ITS A LIE
01 Sep 23
@mott-the-hoople saidTrue. And the indictment says that Trump has the right to lie about the election. They will even admit that and follow it up with......and he lied about this and that. Right after they said he has a right to lie about that.
“Trump didn't threaten electoral officials. Stop lying! ”
their whole argument hinges on this…AND ITS A LIE
01 Sep 23
@Metal-Brain
Here is a small study...
Where in this article does anyone find that Trump has violated the law by lying? For instance, he was not under oath, which is one of the elements of illegally lying.
https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/blog/is-it-illegal-to-lie-to-the-police/
@metal-brain saidWell at the end of the day the jury will decide who did what at the orders of whom, I’ve seen some of them fake electors and I don’t think they’ll go to male rape central in order to keep trump in his mansion 😂😂
What consequences? What are you imagining now? And once again you have a problem with speech. This is about Trump's words that you didn't like. He requested that he find votes. There was no threat. You want to criminalize requesting the findings of possible vote fraud. That is the threat to democracy right there.
If the alternate electors did something wrong that is o ...[text shortened]... if they want Trump again. Because they might want him, right? The majority cannot be trusted, right?
02 Sep 23
@kevcvs57 saidYeah, free speech is on trial because of Nazis like you.
Well at the end of the day the jury will decide who did what at the orders of whom, I’ve seen some of them fake electors and I don’t think they’ll go to male rape central in order to keep trump in his mansion 😂😂
You want to outlaw political speech you fascist pig.
@metal-brain saidThe "alternate" electors were fake and clearly illegal since they only existed because of the lies.
They are called alternate electors and there is nothing illegal about that. Falsely calling them fake does not win the argument.
Trump didn't threaten electoral officials. Stop lying!
Ordered? Pence did not follow through so what order? Prove it was an order just like I told you to prove a request was a threat. You cannot do it and besides, you are pointing out thin ...[text shortened]... equests threats and they were not threats. If you have to lie to win a debate you have already lost.
Al Gore was not arrested because he didn't commit crimes. Trump did. It's got nothing to do with free speech.