28 Oct 22
@techsouth saidAside from spreading misinformation and mischief, there is no evidence that the Russians managed to alter the outcome of the 2016 election by hacking voting machines or whatever. But yes, there is evidence that they tried. Of course they would try. That's right up Putin's alley.
Not here to join another debate that will change no one's mind. But I will say that your "false equivalency" argument is not obvious to me.
Yet I still manage to function in society and have a good deal of what most would call "success" in life.
I guess I'm one of those "high functioning" kind of crazies that doesn't need to be in an institution.
I'm sure someone will join in and both patiently and lovingly explain to me how stupid I am.
@techsouth saidI'll concede my Item #3 was poorly worded, so I have amended it. Have a good weekend!
Not here to join another debate that will change no one's mind. But I will say that your "false equivalency" argument is not obvious to me.
Yet I still manage to function in society and have a good deal of what most would call "success" in life.
I guess I'm one of those "high functioning" kind of crazies that doesn't need to be in an institution.
I'm sure someone will join in and both patiently and lovingly explain to me how stupid I am.
29 Oct 22
@mghrn55 saidYour side Obama told the whopper of them alll, that you would keep your dr. That, you would save $2500/yr, when it actually COST them $2500.
But only one side has used a lie to try and overthrow an election.
Still missing it, aren't you.
Much more pain, the old empty wallet gambit. The bstird new he was lying when he said it.
So, give it up turkey…..your sleeaze stinks more than does ours.
29 Oct 22
@averagejoe1 saidCome off it. Your side even lied about the weather by drawing on a fukking weather chart… on TV…
Your side Obama told the whopper of them alll, that you would keep your dr. That, you would save $2500/yr, when it actually COST them $2500.
Much more pain, the old empty wallet gambit. The bstird new he was lying when he said it.
So, give it up turkey…..your sleeaze stinks more than does ours.
29 Oct 22
@earl-of-trumps saidAnd another liar bestrides the forum like a midget with a hunchback.
But AJoe, how can we all forget - "The 2016 election was hacked"
And I bother to ask because democrats still believe it, still live it.
29 Oct 22
@shavixmir saidCome off what? Making you uncomfortable with Obamaesce???
Come off it. Your side even lied about the weather by drawing on a fukking weather chart… on TV…
Bunch of Liars!!! I said it and I’m glad!
29 Oct 22
@averagejoe1 saidtrump lied about literally everything. What are you on about?
Come off what? Making you uncomfortable with Obamaesce???
Bunch of Liars!!! I said it and I’m glad!
Yes. Every politician lies. So much so, Imm pretty sure that “politician” is ancient Greek for “Lying bastard”.
However, there most certainly is a difference. trump lied (and lies) about election fraud (which riles real people up to aggressive heights) and he lied about everything and so openly disprovable, he should never be taken seriously.
And then you can’t be in a position of power.
29 Oct 22
@AverageJoe1
So Biden released oil from the reserves which you also denounced. But of course if he hadn't and gas went up to SIX bucks a gallon, you would have bitched about that too.
Biden, for you, damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.
You are a flaming hypocrite, and you clearly WELCOME the idea of democracy gone in the US and repub zombies rule forever, making the US just another banana republic with a big military and if and when that happens the military budget will probably double so we can win WW3 when it happens.
29 Oct 22
@averagejoe1 saidYeah. It's a wash. One side lies when he says gas was $5 a gallon when he took office, the other one lies when he said that COVID was Democrat hoax and would be over by Easter (2020).
Because, lies abound on both sides. Let us stipulate..its a wash. Biden says that gas was over $5 when he took office. It was $2.39.
So he lied, your beloved president, Hillary lied, some repubs have lied. Here is the link. No responses needed here. It is just an announcement. I hope Suzianne is happy with the source, Snopes. ...and, with the video.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-gas-prices-over-5-dollars/
Same difference?
@averagejoe1 saidIt's a mouse vs. an elephant, they're both mammals, come on. Same thing. Who can possible determine which one is bigger?
So here is Zahlanzi, or was it Mg, zzzzz, who is putting himself forth as the adjudicator of how serious a lie is. This forum seems to have no teeth. Someone like myself posts a fact, regarding a certain person about a certain issue, and the Zahlanzis of the world come back with January 6, and Trump just one more time. I’m afraid we will all get tired and drift away from ...[text shortened]... comment on the lie that Joe Biden told to persuade voters to believe that he has gas under control.
Can you really not see the difference between the run-of-the-mill lies that politicians spew all the time (about the economy and jobs and immigration and what not) just for show, vs. the election was stolen or that COVID was not a hoax perpetrated by Democrats?
@soothfast saidYour Post: a False Equivalency.
Your Post: a False Equivalency.
Response follows:
Based on poll numbers, I think we can put the percentage of Democrats who believe the 2016 election was stolen at somewhere well south of 25% in January 2017. It can only have gone down from there by now. Find a poll by a reputable organization with higher numbers, or any numbers at all.
But just last mo ...[text shortened]... DoJ is hardly going to advertise it so as to invite copycats to pick up where the Russians left off.
Response follows:
@soothfast said
Your Post: a False Equivalency.
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@EoT: Well, we can end it right here, soothfast, because I refuse to engage in discussion with someone that uses lies for facts.
Based on poll numbers, I think we can put the percentage of Democrats who believe the 2016 election was stolen at somewhere well south of 25% in January 2017. It can only have gone down from there by now.
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@EoT: and you pulled these figures from, where...? out of your butt??
Find a poll by a reputable organization with higher numbers, or any numbers at all.
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Oh sure, now *I'm* the one that has to supply a poll result but not you!!
#1. The (Youtube)video includes clips of prominent liberals repeatedly calling Trump’s presidency “illegitimate” and using the word “hacked” to describe the 2016 election.
#2. AFTER AN ELECTION marred by hacker intrusions that breached the Democratic National Committee and the email account of one of Hillary Clinton's top staffers, Americans are all too ready to believe that their actual votes have been hacked, too.
#3. Russia probably didn't hack US election – but we still need audits, experts say
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It's very easy to see that "hacked election" in 2016 was a well-used meme, devised by the democrats, propelled by the media.
IT WAS ALL A LIE
1. https://nypost.com/2022/09/29/youtube-restricts-video-of-dems-critics-saying-2016-election-was-hacked/
2. https://www.wired.com/2016/11/hacked-not-audit-election-rest/
3. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/28/us-election-recount-russia-hacking-computer-scientists
30 Oct 22
@shavixmir saidTrump did not lie about literally everything, so, here we go again , you lie.
trump lied about literally everything. What are you on about?
Yes. Every politician lies. So much so, Imm pretty sure that “politician” is ancient Greek for “Lying bastard”.
However, there most certainly is a difference. trump lied (and lies) about election fraud (which riles real people up to aggressive heights) and he lied about everything and so openly disprovable, he should never be taken seriously.
And then you can’t be in a position of power.
What does ‘most certainly is a difference” mean. Did you know that Obama KNEW he was lying on the ‘ you can keep your Dr,” lie, ....he ruined a lot of lives with that obvious intent to deceive. So, the Difference between all those politicians lies, as you suggest ? What difference, pray tell.?
Oh tomorrow is Sunday, isn’t that “Write About Abortion” Day? Can’t wait.
30 Oct 22
@averagejoe1 saidWhen he said literally he didn't mean it literally. LOL!
Trump did not lie about literally everything, so, here we go again , you lie.
What does ‘most certainly is a difference” mean. Did you know that Obama KNEW he was lying on the ‘ you can keep your Dr,” lie, ....he ruined a lot of lives with that obvious intent to deceive. So, the Difference between all those politicians lies, as you suggest ? What difference, pray tell.?
Oh tomorrow is Sunday, isn’t that “Write About Abortion” Day? Can’t wait.
@wildgrass saidMan, you don’t remember the Russia hoax, all democrats, you don’t refer to it, in your posts it is like it never happened.
It's a mouse vs. an elephant, they're both mammals, come on. Same thing. Who can possible determine which one is bigger?
Can you really not see the difference between the run-of-the-mill lies that politicians spew all the time (about the economy and jobs and immigration and what not) just for show, vs. the election was stolen or that COVID was not a hoax perpetrated by Democrats?
Did you just say Covid was not a hoax perpetrated by the Dems? Then can you follow with “ Russia WAS a hoax perpetrated by the Democrats””?
Huh? Can you say Russia WAS a hoax perpetrated by the Democrats?
Can you? Saythat?
Wildgrass, you need to sleep on your posts before submitting them. I’ll work with you.
@metal-brain saidSo much angst, these libs. An adult would say he told ‘a lot’ of lies. Our libs misuse a lot of words and phrases. We may see some new ones in November.
When he said literally he didn't mean it literally. LOL!
Just today Biden lies that Repubs are all set do away with SocSec and Medicare. No, they are set to present a bill to revisit all entitlement programs every 3 years. Like you and your family re-do the household budget periodically. So he flat out lies to get votes, he lies. Today. What a Shute. He scared my granny to death, luckily I intercepted her ballot before it got in the mail.