04 Nov 22
@averagejoe1 saidLOL!!!!
As president, he had to walk a fine line,,,,,keep in mind that no one including the Fauci knew enough to make educated decisions and at the same time keep our populace settled down.
Oh, and I am sorry Trump was not perfect. Biden could have handled it better, even being the invalid he is.
PS: Please dpnt tell Sonhouse I wrote about Trump.
Hey remember when ...[text shortened]... e moderate.
Let's have fun...what would Biden have said, assuming he had climbed on the rubble?
"... keep our populace settled..."
Is that how the Right is defending Trump for lying to America about COVID? Maybe if I tell them everything will be fine and it will go away then it'll go away?
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Thanks for the laugh.
And to imply that this lie is the same as Hillary deleting a few thousand emails. Are you kidding?
04 Nov 22
@averagejoe1 saidJoe. Seriously. Do you not know what democracy is?
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Now, will Democracy, whatever that is, be dead after the election?
This concept is taught and understood by 1st graders. Six year olds.
04 Nov 22
@wildgrass saidHe dealt with what he knew, with what the chinamen and the med people running all over the place were feeding him. It is all that he had to go on. If he had it to do over, he would take another tach. But he would not have scared the hell out of everybody. I think that is what he was trying to do. AvJoe could be wrong. Let’s see what Sunhouse would say.
LOL!!!!
"... keep our populace settled..."
Is that how the Right is defending Trump for lying to America about COVID? Maybe if I tell them everything will be fine and it will go away then it'll go away?
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Thanks for the laugh.
And to imply that this lie is the same as Hillary deleting a few thousand emails. Are you kidding?
04 Nov 22
@wildgrass saidI think we all have diff defs of the word, or concept, democracy. That is why I have hammered Sonhouse for months, to get HIS def.. It is certainly diff than mine, which requires the EC. His I think is simply 51% win the day! E C vs Mob Rule. If you follow me here, I just looked uo some of the myriads about this. Here is an excerpt , which, hahahaha, says it could be one thing, our something else. I have only tried to see what you think it is before I can converse about it. We do not have mob rule, so when y'all say to 'save your democracy by voting Dem", we have an EC, so every time y'all say that, you make no sense.
Joe. Seriously. Do you not know what democracy is?
This concept is taught and understood by 1st graders. Six year olds.
Here is a short read, and then please, tell us all what your def is. I assume it does not include th EC?
The United States is both a democracy and a republic. Democracies and republics are both forms of government in which supreme power resides in the citizens. The word republic refers specifically to a government in which those citizens elect representatives who govern according to the law. The word democracy can refer to this same kind of representational government, OR OR OR it can refer instead to what is also called a direct democracy, in which the citizens themselves participate in the act of governing directl
Edit: I added the OR OR OR, to point out ....there is no one def.
@divegeester saidOne that I remember was that the repubs exaggerated the 87,000 new IRS agents claim, it is not that simple, since it was part of a reshuffling of the Agency, I think they did not just create 87,000 brand new jobs.
Which “repubs” have lied and about what?
So to a lib, this would be a lie. It does point out how you can find something to be questioned of just about every statement ever made.
As to my comments, I do indeed respect the Dems' arguments, and defer to them on such observations. I try to be nice in my defensive position, even tho I am called a whhore on occasion. I do not say that we don't lie, as we do lie.
There are many levels of lying, so I am left with saying..."Why we need to quite saying 'Your Side Lied'.
05 Nov 22
@divegeester saidWhile I have your attention, can maybe YOU be a person who defines Democracy for us.
Which “repubs” have lied and about what?
I have started being entertained by MSNBC and Fox, since we are getting close, and I note that they say 'Democracy' a lot, but never once explain what it is from their point(s) of view.
Thing is, it has GOT to be different on those two sources.
What is it?
@averagejoe1 saidAsk a first grader, Joe!
While I have your attention, can maybe YOU be a person who defines Democracy for us.
I have started being entertained by MSNBC and Fox, since we are getting close, and I note that they say 'Democracy' a lot, but never once explain what it is from their point(s) of view.
Thing is, it has GOT to be different on those two sources.
What is it?
Democracy - people pick the leaders and/or the laws.
Quite troubling when the new age conservatives start pretending to not know what common words mean.
@wildgrass saidNo it has another def, that is the problem ..It also says votes are through representatives. The EC, I presume. You are saying that, or you are saying 51%. Which is it?
Ask a first grader, Joe!
Democracy - people pick the leaders and/or the laws.
Quite troubling when the new age conservatives start pretending to not know what common words mean.
Which?
07 Nov 22
@averagejoe1 saidJoe, there are many different ways to set up and run a democracy. Of course the grade school kids know this. All types are considered democracies.
No it has another def, that is the problem ..It also says votes are through representatives. The EC, I presume. You are saying that, or you are saying 51%. Which is it?
Which?
Red cars, blue cars, fast cars and slow cars. They are all cars.
Our USA method of democracy is laid out in the constitution. The clearest message is ensuring that government works for us.
@wildgrass saidCertainly, no question and thank you for your studied thought. You have opened my issue, It is this.
Joe, there are many different ways to set up and run a democracy. Of course the grade school kids know this. All types are considered democracies.
Red cars, blue cars, fast cars and slow cars. They are all cars.
Our USA method of democracy is laid out in the constitution. The clearest message is ensuring that government works for us.
There are many ways.
A vote by EC is one way to run and set up a Democracy.
A vote by 51% to 49% is a way to run and set up a Democracy.
That is all I have been saying, but I have been trying like crazy to get your side to say it. You do so, by saying 'different ways'. Thx.
So, with that, tell me, what do people (esp Sonhouse) mean when they say we have to 'Save Democracy", or 'Dont lose Democracy " tomorrow? That is all I am asking? What does that mean,.... I note two differences above.
07 Nov 22
@averagejoe1 saidYou nitpick around the edges but faith in elections are a core component of all functional democracies. Your 'side' continues to peddle nonsense about fraudulent elections and refusing to accept lost outcomes. More than half of Republicans in Congress refused to certify Bidens presidency despite prior exhaustion of all constitutional avenues for challenging election results. Hundreds of current candidates for office are about to win despite publicly stating that elections are a fraud.
Certainly, no question and thank you for your studied thought. You have opened my issue, It is this.
There are many ways.
A vote by EC is one way to run and set up a Democracy.
A vote by 51% to 49% is a way to run and set up a Democracy.
That is all I have been saying, but I have been trying like crazy to get your side to say it. You do so, by s ...[text shortened]... cracy " tomorrow? That is all I am asking? What does that mean,.... I note two differences above.
You can compare to statements made by 'the other side' but the magnitude of disinformation by the GOP is way out of proportion. They think elections have outlived their usefulness. Folks like you are questioning the very definition.
That's why people think democracy is at risk.
08 Nov 22
@wildgrass saidGOP thinks elections have outlived their usefulness? What in the hell? Where does it say that? Never heard that. Yes, both side are always upset, you dems have already got all of YOUR lawsuits lined up, I hope those lawyers make this more clear than these posts and these claims of losing Democracy.
You nitpick around the edges but faith in elections are a core component of all functional democracies. Your 'side' continues to peddle nonsense about fraudulent elections and refusing to accept lost outcomes. More than half of Republicans in Congress refused to certify Bidens presidency despite prior exhaustion of all constitutional avenues for challenging election results ...[text shortened]... Folks like you are questioning the very definition.
That's why people think democracy is at risk.
You say we peddle nonsense about elections, as if there is no nonsense by your side. No peddling by your side. Again, an unclosed statement.
I don't know about more than half repubs refused to certify, a silly statement. That is quite a stretch.
So what are all the lawsuits going to be about?
And would you start a thread about how bad we are going to be in trying to clean up the mess (maybe quit mailing out free money, I love it)? And moreover, where we clearly went to stop having elections.
Now, yes, if THAT is what Sonhouse has been raving about, that would definitely be losing Democracy. Please try to win me over.
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08 Nov 22
@averagejoe1 saidNo.
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Now, will Democracy, whatever that is, be dead after the election?
At least not until I get some vulture capitalists to fund my subspace mind-control system. 😉
However, I hope we will be more alert and resistant when it comes to political aspirants who demand and require personal loyalty rather than loyalty to the Constitution and our America.