@wajoma saidThis was her third day in the hospital. After being there a few hours she wasn't receiving any medical care. That's why she left.
Nope it's solely about what she did to the remains.
Nothing to do with the abortion debate.
The woman signed herself out of hospital against medical advice as is her right.
The woman didn't receive medical care because abortion laws made doctors unable to do their jobs. The article says medical staff recommended she be induced but they ended up arguing "ethics" with "officials".
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/26/us-abortion-ban-providers-doctors-leaving-states
The doctors leaving anti-abortion states: ‘I couldn’t do my job at all’
Facts disagree with you.
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@wajoma saidEverything to do with the abortion debate, this was a miscarriage do you right wing misogynist scumbags want a wake for the remains.
Nope it's solely about what she did to the remains.
Nothing to do with the abortion debate.
The woman signed herself out of hospital against medical advice as is her right.
Your thread title is misleading to the extent of being 100% false.
Right wing Republican scumbags punishing a grieving woman for having a miscarriage without goobermint permission nothing more nothing less
You effing hypocrite
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@zahlanzi saidSigh, what can I say, "this" case, seems to me, on the face of it at least, to be cut and dry, I agree with both you and Suzzianne. And I do believe that in rape cases and in many other areas, abortion is ok. Problem is that when the Dems, not the " regular citizens" that some would have us believe, have a "complete" disconnect between a Woman and the "BABY" that she is carrying, then that forces the other crazies to fight back.
the middle ground between what republicans are trying to do all over the US and what democrats, civil rights activists, or regular citizens have been asking is STILL nut-job extreme.
what is the middle ground between not allowing a rape victim to have an abortion and allowing a rape victim to have an abortion?
what is the middle ground between a woman having bodily a ...[text shortened]... ore death. What should the middle ground be for that?
Middle ground doesn't work with lunatics.
It is mind boggling to me the total denial " by some " that a fetus is life.
The middle ground?? who knows. I am not anti-abortion, yet I cannot accept that the fetus has" no" rights, esp at heartbeat stage.
And apologies to Suzzianne for thinking that she had the capacity for compassion/understanding for those that may be nice for a different reason that may be beyond her understanding. My take on her shallow self has been restored.
@jimmac saidThis is nothing to do with abortion, the woman had a miscarriage and tried to flush the thing down a toilet. She wasn't refused an abortion.
Sigh, what can I say, "this" case, seems to me, on the face of it at least, to be cut and dry, I agree with both you and Suzzianne. And I do believe that in rape cases and in many other areas, abortion is ok. Problem is that when the Dems, not the " regular citizens" that some would have us believe, have a "complete" disconnect between a Woman and the "BABY" that she is carry ...[text shortened]... ifferent reason that may be beyond her understanding. My take on her shallow self has been restored.
She was not criminally charged for a miscarriage, the lie of the thread title. Is that all you read, you're in such a hurry to start banging on the keyboard you read a headline, 100% false in this case, and then the over whelming desire to let everyone know you're against making miscarriages illegal.
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@wajoma saidThe hospital staff recommended that the woman be induced because her pregnancy was life-threatening. Inducing at 21 weeks pregnant could kill the fetus. Abortion after 21 weeks is a felony in Ohio.
This is nothing to do with abortion
This had everything to do with abortion.
She was not criminally charged for a miscarriage,
Right. But the reason she was put in a sitation where she had to handle a fetal corpse is because the doctors did nothing after 3 days. The reason for the delay was legal concern over abortion laws.
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@vivify saidSo the thread title is a lie, at least we agree on that. Next thing to agree on is she checked herself out of hospital against medical advice.
The hospital staff recommended that the woman be induced because her pregnancy was life-threatening. Inducing at 21 weeks pregnant could kill the fetus. Abortion after 21 weeks is a felony in Ohio.
This had everything to do with abortion.
She was not criminally charged for a miscarriage,
Right. But the reason she was put in a sitation where she had to han ...[text shortened]... he doctors did nothing after 3 days. The reason for the delay was legal concern over abortion laws.
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@wajoma saidWhat non-medically trained woman knows what to do with a fetus? This only happened because of Ohio's restrictive abortion laws putting her in that situation.
So the thread title is a lie, at least we agree on that. Next thing to agree on is she checked herself out of hospital against medical advice.
She left the hospital after her third day of being there. The last day she was there for hours with no treatment. Keep in mind that hospital didn't induce her despite knowing the woman's life was at stake.
You're doing your absolute best to shift blame away from right-wingers and their restrictive abortion laws.
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@vivify saidOk so we have the lie of the thread title, then we have the acknowledgement that she checked herself out against medical advice, now we can establish that nowhere does it say she was seeking an abortion. She went to the hospital seeking treatment.
What non-medically trained woman knows what to do with a fetus? This only happened because of Ohio's restrictive abortion laws putting her in that situation.
She left the hospital after her third day of being there. The last day she was there for hours with no treatment. Keep in mind that hospital didn't induce her despite knowing the woman's life was at stake.
You're ...[text shortened]... doing your absolute best to shift blame away from right-wingers and their restrictive abortion laws.
Please tell us you understand and agree with these three, black and white, points.
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@Wajoma
How could it be abuse of corpse when it was never really alive? This is fuked up no matter how you look at it.
America is in the throws of authoritarians even before Trump may be POTUS again. The laws are draconian and they clearly just want control over women and that is the bottom line.
@wajoma saidYou're ignoring points. Okay.
Ok so we have the lie of the thread title, then we have the acknowledgement that she checked herself out against medical advice, now we can establish that nowhere does it say she was seeking an abortion. She went to the hospital seeking treatment.
Please tell us you understand and agree with these three, black and white, points.
Do you agree with the fact that the hospital didn't induce the fetus despite medical staff recommending it? Do you agree that for three days the hospital put the mother's life at risk since not inducing her was potentially fatal to her?
And do you agree that the reason for the delay was because hospitals were debating the legality of inducing a pregnancy that could kill a fetus?
https://apnews.com/article/ohio-miscarriage-prosecution-brittany-watts-b8090abfb5994b8a23457b80cf3f27ce
Please tell us you agree with these three black and white points.
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@vivify saiddo you agree with the fact your thread title is a lie?
You're ignoring points. Okay.
Do you agree with the fact that the hospital didn't induce the fetus despite medical staff recommending it? Do you agree that for three days the hospital put the mother's life at risk since not inducing her was potentially fatal to her?
And do you agree that the reason for the delay was because hospitals were debating the legality of ind ...[text shortened]... 8090abfb5994b8a23457b80cf3f27ce
Please tell us you agree with these three black and white points.
@sonhouse saidsunstroker, IMO you can abuse corpses all you like, I don't attach any special significance to a lump of meat, if you like fry up the liver and enjoy it with chianti and fava beans, she shouldn't be charged with anything.
@Wajoma
How could it be abuse of corpse when it was never really alive? This is fuked up no matter how you look at it.
America is in the throws of authoritarians even before Trump may be POTUS again. The laws are draconian and they clearly just want control over women and that is the bottom line.
The first issue is she was not criminally charged for a miscarriage, and we're waiting of acknowledgement of this in the form of a retraction from vivify.
We need to work through these points in a logical way, starting with the title of the thread. I don't believe it was a mistake, vivify was intentionally being misleading, she should fess up to it.
@mott-the-hoople saidHow is it a "lie" if *I'm* the one who posted the contents of article? I misstated the charge but you only know that because I was trying to be accurate by posting the source.
do you agree with the fact your thread title is a lie?
@vivify saidYou see how you just go further down the hole when you have no integrity and honesty, nowhere does it say she was charged for a miscarriage. You're the only one to say it.
How is it a "lie" if *I'm* the one who posted the contents of article? I misstated the charge but you only know that because I was trying to be accurate by posting the source.