20 Jun 05
(1) When it comes to Iraq, you are mistaken if you say that Bush is right or well supported because he got voted back in.
He bought votes with a campaign powered by hundreds of millions of dollars and targetting a number of "sensitive" issues.
(2) When there is outrage at the deaths since America invaded Iraq and requests to impeach Bush, you are mistaken to respond with references to suicide bombers.
This would be similar to replying to outrage at 9/11 with comments about 168 deaths in the Oklahama bombing, 80 deaths at Waco, serial sniper attacks in Virginia, Maryland and the District of Columbia, that 85% of the world's serial killers are in America and at any point in time there are 20 to 50 active serial killers in America. We could also talk about America's support of dictatorships and even throw in 70,000 deaths at Hiroshima and another 70,000 at Nagisaki less than a week later.
Power = Responsibility. Americans, stop living in denial and impeach Bush now !!!
20 Jun 05
Originally posted by STANGHey Stan,
(1) When it comes to Iraq, you are mistaken if you say that Bush is right or well supported because he got voted back in.
He bought votes with a campaign powered by hundreds of millions of dollars and targetting a number of "sensitive" issues.
(2) When there is outrage at the deaths since America invaded Iraq and requests to impeach Bush, you are mi ...[text shortened]... eek later.
Power = Responsibility. Americans, stop living in denial and impeach Bush now !!!
Still worshiping and longing for old Saddam eh?
How about Hitler? You want him back too?
The only thing that saves you from being a Nazi is your time-line at birth you know.
Why do you support the dictators instead of those of us who oppose them?
Think about it.
It's hard to get too "outraged" over the deaths in Iraq. Iraq has about what? 50 million population?
Take this as the ten largest american cities. Then add up the rape, torture, killing and mayhem and I think you will find out that Iraq is about as safe as any big american city. This ain't good. But Dems fill big cities, so you have to cut us a little slack. It is still legal for them to fight on the side of evil, and they do. With all their passions.
Besides. War is hell. Ever heard that? But... here is your challenge. How the hell you gunna clean out a vipers nest of dictators, dictators kids and dictators cronies without having a good old fashioned war? Talk them to death?
Mike
21 Jun 05
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyHe's going to spam them to death, SVW. And by the way, Stang, there's blood on your hands.
Hey Stan,
Still worshiping and longing for old Saddam eh?
How about Hitler? You want him back too?
The only thing that saves you from being a Nazi is your time-line at birth you know.
Why do you support the dictators instea ...[text shortened]... t having a good old fashioned war? Talk them to death?
Mike
21 Jun 05
TO THOSE WHO SAY I SUPPORT TERRORISTS ...
I DON'T SUPPORT SUICIDE BOMBERS IN IRAQ, AL-QAEDA OR GEORGE BUSH.
(I INCLUDE BUSH BECAUSE HE CALLED FOR WAR IN IRAQ - WHICH IS ORGANISED TERRORISM).
JUST BECAUSE I PROTEST AGAINST BUSH DOESN'T MEAN I SUPPORT OTHER TERRORISTS. IT'S YOUR SOUGHT OF TWISTED LOGIC THAT LEAD TO THE DEATHS OF UP TO 100,000 PEOPLE IN IRAQ AND 9/11.
TELL ME HOW MY OPENING POST SUPPORTS TERRORISTS ???
POWER = RESPONSIBILITY.
AMERICANS, STOP LIVING IN DENIAL AND IMPEACH BUSH NOW !
21 Jun 05
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Originally posted by STANGStan...
TO THOSE WHO SAY I SUPPORT TERRORISTS ...
I DON'T SUPPORT SUICIDE BOMBERS IN IRAQ, AL-QAEDA OR GEORGE BUSH.
(I INCLUDE BUSH BECAUSE HE CALLED FOR WAR IN IRAQ - WHICH IS ORGANISED TERRORISM).
JUST BECAUSE I PROTEST AGAINST BUSH DO ...[text shortened]... TY.
AMERICANS, STOP LIVING IN DENIAL AND IMPEACH BUSH NOW !
Bush removed Saddam. No bush, Saddam remains. Bush, Saddam gone. Do you see anything connected to reality there? Any "causal" thingy at all?
No bush... Your hero remains. Of course then you would have to figure out another "universal evil" to blame basic human stupidity on.
So nevermind. Bush is as good as any other universal causation.
Ooooh! Up to 100,000 dead by bush? And without being checked and removed, Saddam would have sired as many more children? Or is there a chance he would have continued to kill thousands every month as he did for 23 years? Why would he have stopped?
Not counting the wars Saddam CAUSED. Iran. Kuwait. Iraq.
21 Jun 05
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Originally posted by STANGTo quote John Kerry...
America backed Saddam.
Just like a school playground bully, America says that it can do unacceptable things because Saddam did.
If America can justify the invasion of Iraq then Al Qaeda can justify 9/11.
"Yea. We really did support Saddam, before we killed his ass."
We did support him against the Islamofacists in Iran. Oopps.
What part of correcting that mistake is bad?
As to justifying who kills who and for what reason -- I don't know Stan. I am on Americas side because "I BELIEVE" that we are now and have always tried to support our basic notion of self as defined at the birth of our nation. I believe that we are opposing the evil of facism and evil. It's that simple. If I was an islamofacist, what would I be fighting and dying for? Religion? Or a twisted slave holding form of religion I guess. Why did they attack the US stan? You seem to know everything. Why did they attack the US?
In my mind we "whooped up" on the school yard bully. Bush has never marched a small town into the night and killed every resident because of a whim. Saddam did that many times. The worst thing Bush did was trust Euro fools in the UN when they said that Saddam was "unacceptable". Only to learn later that they were all on the take for money. Is that your ideal of what "great nations" do? Sad.
21 Jun 05
Originally posted by StarValleyWyThat seems to be the case as America started with:
As to justifying who kills who and for what reason -- I don't know Stan. I am on Americas side because "I BELIEVE" that we are now and have always tried to support our basic notion of self as defined at the birth of our nation.
- Invading the American Indians
- Enslaving Africans
- Slaughtering each other in the civil war
21 Jun 05
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Originally posted by STANGMake up your stupid mind dude. Do you hate Bush? Or "america"?
That seems to be the case as America started with:
- Invading the American Indians
- Enslaving Africans
- Slaughtering each other in the civil war
Jesus H. Christo man. You got to get this hate thing down a bit. You sound like a damned american democratic senator at this point. If you decide to just hate us americans... the majority of us what are REALLY, REALLY happy with the outcome of the war... then just say so. Then we can get it on with the name calling and crap flingin' and all the stuff that you seem to admire over rational thought.
PS... In case you missed it... The damned British, Germans, French and Spanish invaded the american indians. The first 270 years of that was not "american". <grin> svw whistles the first part of yankee doodle dandy to the lyrics of "I'm a yankee doodle technocrat... yankee doodle do or die"
21 Jun 05
Originally posted by STANGSTANG.. damn it.. would you just give up allready.. by the time your WHINING and bitching even shows up on a 3rd rate tabloid his term is going to have expired.. damn man.. shadap....
That seems to be the case as America started with:
- Invading the American Indians
- Enslaving Africans
- Slaughtering each other in the civil war
21 Jun 05
Originally posted by STANGJeez stang, you seem to be equating america to what? Idi Amin?
That seems to be the case as America started with:
- Invading the American Indians
- Enslaving Africans
- Slaughtering each other in the civil war
Pol Pot? Hitler? Stalin? What did americans do there? were they at
fault there? Like Franco in Spain? We put all those despots in power?
The US may be a bull in a china shop but its not killing people by the
hundreds of millions like the chinese, or did you forget about the
pogroms there? makes the jewish holocaust look like a picnic.
What, 33 million of their own people carted off to certain death?
what about the Japanese invading china and the millions of deaths
they caused? you conveniently forget about all that? What about the
hundreds of thousands of Kurds gassed to death by saddam? you
think thats ok? Are we gassing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis?
Hey, we went in, right or wrong but we are not pulling out all the
stops like saddam did against the Iranians and the Kurds.
You are so frothing at the mouth anti-american you forget maybe
just maybe sometimes occasionally we do good stuff too. Yes I
know all about the civil war, I know all about columbus killing
all those thousands on San Salvadore, inadvertantly. and all the rest.
Somehow I think it pales in comparison to the real evils of this
planet like Pol Pot, what 3 MILLION of his own countrymen?
the red chinese, over 30 MILLION dead? Stalin, Hitler. How can you
even begin to equate the US to those evil bastards? IdI Amin would
force his subjects to rape a female prisoner in front of her husband
then disembowel her THEN slowly kill the husband too just for
amusement. It is an affront for you who seem to like living here to
make such invalid comparisons. We are the superpower in the world,
the world doesn't happen to like that fact. It seems to mean nothing
we saved the french from that hitler fella, doesn't mean crap does it?
If someone attacked france again, even though we deep down hate
each others guts, we would jump in there with all guns blazing to
protect their sorry asses and don't you ever forget that.
21 Jun 05
Originally posted by STANGSo we get back to the point that its ok for Saddam to kill hundreds
Here you go again, just like a school playground bully, America says that it can do unacceptable things because other people did.
If America can justify the invasion of Iraq then Al Qaeda can justify 9/11.
of thousands of Kurds with gas but not ok for america to kick his
sorry ass out. I guess it was ok for Saddam to have attacked little
Kuwait, who cares? just a bunch of ragheads right?
Personally I think Saddam should have been left in power just to piss
off the Iranians and now the iranians are paying back in kind with
insurgents but how can you defend a creep like Saddam?
you like how his sons kill olympic atheletes who don't win gold?
Last time I checked the only ones killing olympic atheletes were the
Iraqis and that little incident with the palastinians, oh sorry they were
defending their country, attacking innocent olympians, such nice guys
they were. Also if I am not correct, I think 9-11 came before we hit
iraq. Taking iraq was a sicilian message if you know what I mean.
How come the Syrians just *happened* to withdraw after 15 years of
lebanese occupation, or does that not count? only if the US occupies
a country is it bad I guess, if the Syrians do it, no problemo. But of
course, I am being a bullying schoolboy here, forgot.
21 Jun 05
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Originally posted by sonhouseThere were other ways to get rid of Sadam without killing 100,000 people in the process. Why did America support him in the first place ?
So we get back to the point that its ok for Saddam to kill hundreds
of thousands of Kurds with gas but not ok for america to kick his
sorry ass out. I guess it was ok for Saddam to have attacked little
Kuwait, who cares? just a bunch of ...[text shortened]... mo. But of
course, I am being a bullying schoolboy here, forgot.
And couldn't America, for all its technology and intelligence, target Sadam without such "collateral damage" ?
(I remember seeing Sadam at a press gathering leading up to the Gulf War and thinking ... "Why the hell isn't America assassinating him with a bullet or a single missle ?)
You see, terrorists would also see 9/11 as "collateral damage".
Violence leads to violence.
Power = Responsibility.
