08 Oct 20
@mghrn55 saidYes, I agree. Trump does not like the idea that his mic can be remotely switched off in a virtual debate. He’s not in his element when he can’t bully the other person.
A virtual debate would severely limit Trump’s intention to turn the “debate” into a fiasco and a circus.
Besides, Trump needs a psychiatric assessment first.
My guess is that he’s still on dexamethasone.
08 Oct 20
@divegeester saidPatzering is back
So funny and yet yesterday in the general forum you were claiming you weren’t a Trump supporter and you weren’t American...
09 Oct 20
@moonbus saidIt would be fun to watch him get extremely agitated as he realizes he can't dominate his opponent with poor debate technique.
Yes, I agree. Trump does not like the idea that his mic can be remotely switched off in a virtual debate. He’s not in his element when he can’t bully the other person.
09 Oct 20
@cheesemaster said“Old Joe”
Old Joe kept looking at his notes.
Who cares what the rest of the world thinks?
So which country were you in when you were watching “Old Joe” if you’re “not American”?
09 Oct 20
@cheesemaster saidBut you’re “not American”, not a Republican and you didn’t vote for Trump?
The only chickens are the Dems who don't want old Joe on the spot and having to think for himself.
09 Oct 20
@metal-brain saidIf DJT refuses to participate in a virtual debate, it proves he's incapable of putting himself into a situation where his misdeeds are punished. Anyone who watched both debates knows just how controlling and aggressive he is in any interaction with others.
I heard debates in separate places has happened before. Trump's not wanting to debate simply because they would not be in the same room has no precedent he can point to.
DJT is running ads saying Biden is weak. If DJT will not debate it proves he is weak.
I've seen him give exactly that reason himself in front of the camera today, talking about being cut off by someone else. Clearly he thinks that's acceptable behaviour.
09 Oct 20
@no1marauder saidPeople severely ill with COVID-19 don't typically recover in 48 hours. While I'll grant that none of us really know exactly how sick Trump is/was, if Trump is really ready to go back to rallying this weekend, it would lend credence to the WH claim that the hospital visit was precautionary.
He was hospitalized, took experimental drugs and is still on steroids. I would say that makes his case "severe" and warrants the 20 day period.
As for the "experimental" treatment, it's a monoclonal antibody (which would help at any stage of the disease, but most so early, since its primary effect would be as an antiviral) with a perfect safety record in testing so far. He was certainly having some trouble maintaining oxygen level, hence the steroids, but that's indicative of some element of cytokine/bradykinin storm, not that the virus is still running wild in him.
The 20 days (as conceded on the CDC site) is extremely conservative. Even people who get seriously ill and eventually die of COVID, do so because of cytokine/bradykinin storm or circulatory problems, not because the virus is still running wild in them. A person would essentially have to have a completely malfunctioning immune system to be contagious 3 weeks after symptom onset. That Trump's symptoms have improved and that he has no fever indicates that his viral load had been lowered, even if he's still having trouble maintaining oxygen levels (which we don't know).
The point is that 2 weeks after symptom onset, it's extremely unlikely that he's still contagious.
On a personal level, I've put my money where my mouth is, so to speak. I have a relative (elderly and with terrible comorbidities) who was in the hospital this week, much sicker than Trump. I visited him and spent hours in his room because I am convinced that, even though he was also having trouble maintaining oxygen levels, it was extremely unlikely that he was contagious 2 weeks after symptom onset. FWIW, the hospital staff agreed with me that it's very unlikely that he was contagious.
Incidentally, little side note: He got convalescent plasma, Remdesivir and Dexamethasone and a cocktail of other drugs and is now discharged and feeling good (though still on oxygen). How far we've come in treating this disease is truly incredible. If he'd gotten this in March (again, extreme comorbidities), he'd have been in major trouble.
@sh76 saidWho said he recovered? He was released from the hospital to a place which has a world class medical facility staffed by two dozen health professionals. And his doctors have been extremely vague about his condition, though it was mentioned he was coughing up a storm chatting with Hannity last night. https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/09/media/trump-coughs-on-fox-news/index.html
People severely ill with COVID-19 don't typically recover in 48 hours. While I'll grant that none of us really know exactly how sick Trump is/was, if Trump is really ready to go back to rallying this weekend, it would lend credence to the WH claim that the hospital visit was precautionary.
As for the "experimental" treatment, it's a monoclonal antibody (which would help at an ...[text shortened]... dible. If he'd gotten this in March (again, extreme comorbidities), he'd have been in major trouble.
You ridiculing the CDC cite is really hilarious. Not sure why I should take your anecdotal claims over what the CDC says regarding severe cases. And last I checked, less than 20% of cases are even hospitalized, so Trump's case surely rates as "severe" by that standard.
IF Trump sycophants want to have him spew spittle on them, that's their business. But it would be irresponsible for the Debate Commission to allow him to interact with others within the period the CDC recommends isolation in "severe" cases.
EDIT: And if he's in such great shape, why is he still taking dexamethasone?
"The steroid is reserved for hospitalized patients with lung inflammation and need oxygen assistance. Daignault says the president's doctors must have had strong reason to justify the use of such a powerful medication."
https://abc7.com/health/could-covid-19-steroid-treatment-be-boosting-president-trumps-mood---/6829341/
09 Oct 20
@earl-of-trumps saidDoctors don't decide whether a patient is released from a hospital; the patient does.
With all the wild theories coming out of nowhere and going nowhere, let us not forget,
Trump was released from the hospital. Doctor's actions speak louder than our words.
This thread makes me want to puke.
Presidential debates are in person.
Man up Biden.
If you have to hide from a small virus that kills less than 1% of people then how can you lead any country?
The President, yes He Is Your President, He Is Your Commander In Chief, should not have to cower to demands from a pathetically weak opponent such as Biden.
Either man up and March into that debate or slag off.
I'm not entirely sure what slag off means but it sure sounded good 🤔
09 Oct 20
@cheesemaster saidNo, Donald Trump is not Joe Biden's Commander in Chief.
This thread makes me want to puke.
Presidential debates are in person.
Man up Biden.
If you have to hide from a small virus that kills less than 1% of people then how can you lead any country?
The President, yes He Is Your President, He Is Your Commander In Chief, should not have to cower to demands from a pathetically weak opponent such as Biden.
Either ...[text shortened]... nto that debate or slag off.
I'm not entirely sure what slag off means but it sure sounded good 🤔
And the incumbent doesn't get to dictate the rules of the debates; they have to be agreed between the parties.