Ad hominem: is it really about me?

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Favorably.

The 'weakness' of the AH argument is that is is not thought of as speaking to anything but the frame, whereas all of the other arguments are thought of as speaking to the picture. AH rejects the frame without considering the picture--- frame only, which is why it has been hitherto fore been held to be a distraction from the actual argument. ...[text shortened]... picture: one which houses both the frame and the picture in view, the idea behind the person.

Context point being that preconceptions about the frame/person in front blur or obscure

or negate or distract objective focus and any serious consideration of the picture/idea?

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Context point being that preconceptions about the frame/person in front blur or obscure

or negate or distract objective focus and any serious consideration of the picture/idea?

=randomly typed words with no real meaning. Bob, please consider the use of subjects, objects (direct or indirect) and verbs in a manner that lends itself to be easily read instead of painstakingly interpreted. Half the time I skip over your posts because I can't be bothered to try and figure out what the hell you just said; which is a shame, because I'm certain that sometimes you actually have something interesting to say

Originally posted by duecer
=randomly typed words with no real meaning. Bob, please consider the use of subjects, objects (direct or indirect) and verbs in a manner that lends itself to be easily read instead of painstakingly interpreted. Half the time I skip over your posts because I can't be bothered to try and figure out what the hell you just said; which is a shame, because I'm certain that sometimes you actually have something interesting to say

Just ignore all repetitions and when there's a list of words, just keep the last one.

Context being that preconceptions about the person in front distract objective focus and any serious consideration of the idea?

Originally posted by duecer
=randomly typed words with no real meaning. Bob, please consider the use of subjects, objects (direct or indirect) and verbs in a manner that lends itself to be easily read instead of painstakingly interpreted. Half the time I skip over your posts because I can't be bothered to try and figure out what the hell you just said; which is a shame, because I'm certain that sometimes you actually have something interesting to say

You ever just feel free to think aloud, to reach and grasp for meanings and connections

from the flowing stream of your rational intellect in the presence of good friends. I do.

Originally posted by Palynka
Just ignore all repetitions and when there's a list of words, just keep the last one.

Context being that preconceptions about the person in front distract objective focus and any serious consideration of the idea?

An arresting object lesson equivalent (illustrating my reply to Duecer and also commenting on your helpful post) may be the manner in which some approach their chess games. I for one think, talk and smile and laugh aloud in the hopeful process of getting out of book early; discovering overlooked possibilities; maybe finding something the position can live with that's sort of new or completely off the wall. Other players may take a different tack... contemplating next moves in stoic silence and grim determination yet often still making dreary, same ole/so yesterday, premeditated rote and safe plays. Their comfort zone. Their call.


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Originally posted by Ice Cold
I like hominy.

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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
You ever just feel free to think aloud, to reach and grasp for meanings and connections

from the flowing stream of your rational intellect in the presence of good friends. I do.

not so much. I get where you're going, but I am usually more reflective in my postings (except when involved in banter etc). I try to be clear and succinct in my postings, though I do admit failure at times in that regard.

I would like to know what's on your mind; I just don't want to have to interpret, either out of laziness, or because I'm just too busy to bother. No offense is intended in any of these remarks.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
You ever just feel free to think aloud, to reach and grasp for meanings and connections

from the flowing stream of your rational intellect in the presence of good friends. I do.

Do all that before you write it down. Otherwise, the message is submerged in random
adjectives and paralyzed by cluttered thinking. Expressing your ideas clearly is equivalent
to e4 or d4.. understandable, but much too plain and simple for one who obfuscates.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH

My point is that perhaps a case could be made for the AH argument actually speaking to a bigger picture: one which houses both the frame and the picture in view, the idea behind the person.

The wall?

Originally posted by HandyAndy
Do all that [b]before you write it down. Otherwise, the message is submerged in random
adjectives and paralyzed by cluttered thinking. Expressing your ideas clearly is equivalent
to e4 or d4.. much too plain and simple for one who obfuscates.[/b]

Understand both your point of view as well as its merits. Many RHP Members post

in this manner... constructing and packaging the thought/wording package before

the fact. Do so myself, even sleeping on ideas first. Now and then I enjoy the raw

spontaneity and freedom of being and going about it stark naked. Please forgive.



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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Understand both your point of view as well as its merits. Many RHP Members post

in this manner... constructing and packaging the thought/wording package before

the fact. Do so myself, even sleeping on ideas first. Now and then I enjoy the raw

spontaneity and freedom of being and going about it stark naked. Please forgive.



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Originally posted by duecer
not so much. I get where you're going, but I am usually more reflective in my postings (except when involved in banter etc). I try to be clear and succinct in my postings, though I do admit failure at times in that regard.

I [b]would like to know what's on your mind; I just don't want to have to interpret, either out of laziness, or because I'm just too busy to bother. No offense is intended in any of these remarks.[/b]

One unique and valuable observation your post contributes in context of Freaky's

thread topic thrust is that manner of expression idiosyncrasies; communication

marks of incorrectness; and written language style may also become an integral

part of the whole frame/person which gets in the way of an intended picture/idea.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
The wall?

Gold!

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
The wall?

Try window, open or closed.

Originally posted by Palynka
Gold!

Shame for shame... knee jerk isn't at all like you (as in person/frame).



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