14 May 09
Originally posted by leisurelysloth😀
The officers claim that the dog detected drugs. The victim claims it never happened. The officers refused to bring out the dog again and THERE WERE NO DRUGS. Who was lying?
They also claimed the dog detected a body.........from what I understand dogs are trained to "detect" one specific thing, eg a body OR drugs OR explosives etc etc.
Anyone here who is defending these jerks and their actions should think again.
14 May 09
Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveI'm not defending these "jerks" as you call them Dr, but only pointing out that a lot of people have wet underwear without even knowing the material facts pertaining to the case.
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They also claimed the dog detected a body.........from what I understand dogs are trained to "detect" one specific thing, eg a body OR drugs OR explosives etc etc.
Anyone here who is defending these jerks and their actions should think again.
14 May 09
In the US we have a thing called the 4th Amendment that protects us from illegal searches and seizures.
In every state (I think) the cops have the right to order the driver out of the car during a routine traffic stop.
In most states (I know NJ is an exception) they can order the passengers out of the car as well.
They cannot search the vehicle without probable cause.
they can search anything that is in plain sight.
They need to get your permission to open the trunk. They can hold you until the drug sniffing dogs arrive.
This was a border patrol. Border patrols do have the right to search your car.
I think ccnoob is right that this guy is an activist who was looking for standing to bring a lawsuit. Thanks to the gash in his head and the rough treatment he now has that standing.
14 May 09
Originally posted by Red NightConsidering the individual was not posing any imminent threat, don't you think the police should AT LEAST WARN HIM that he would be tasered* unless he complied?
In the US we have a thing called the 4th Amendment that protects us from illegal searches and seizures.
In every state (I think) the cops have the right to order the driver out of the car during a routine traffic stop.
In most states (I know NJ is an exception) they can order the passengers out of the car as well.
They cannot search the vehicle wi ...[text shortened]... ing a lawsuit. Thanks to the gash in his head and the rough treatment he now has that standing.
*Does this verb exist?
14 May 09
Originally posted by PalynkaOn the video it looks like the police over reacted.
Considering the individual was not posing any imminent threat, don't you think the police should AT LEAST WARN HIM that he would be tasered* unless he complied?
*Does this verb exist?
One of the problems with stuff like this is that it is hard to make a determination because I don't have all of the facts.
I would like to see tougher 4th amendment protections imposed upon the police. The police regularly abuse the power to stop and frisk, search in plain sight, etc. One of the biggest problems is usually profiling.
Having said that, this was a border patrol (albeit one that was far from any real international border) and we all know we can get searched at the border.
14 May 09
Originally posted by PalynkaPre 9/11 Phlabibit would have a very different view of this incident.
Considering the individual was not posing any imminent threat, don't you think the police should AT LEAST WARN HIM that he would be tasered* unless he complied?
*Does this verb exist?
Would have been "nice" if they gave him one more warning explaining he would be forcefully removed.
I hope these officers checked with a supervisor, or at least know what they can or can't do. I wonder what will become of the whole thing.
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14 May 09
Originally posted by Sam The ShamGood god. You sure make a habit of spectacularly missing the point.
"You are under arrest get out of the car"
"No....i don't want to. Tell me all about the legal right you have to arrest me and explain for the next two hours why I should. I will then come up with a thousand other reasons to continue sitting here and not comply with your simple request because I want to make your job impossible to do"
Police offi ...[text shortened]... and powerless they are, asking the person to please come out of the car.
Screw that.
No one here says the cops should have continued debating the point - only they didn't have to escalate the violence to that degree.
It was vicious bullying.
14 May 09
Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveJust a small note. I have been tased, Hurts like hell. Makes you wish you could run away and can't. part of intense Hospital security training I have been through. SO yes I know how it feels, and the results, to include effects on those with hearts complications as well as drugs that have been abused.
Try telling that to the hundreds of innocent victims.
Maybe it would have been easier all round if he had co-operated [I would have] but there was absolutely no need to attack him with serious anti-violence weapons.....
I imagine he'll get a few million dollars for his trouble - good luck to him. The cops need re-training methinks.
People who have never actually been tasered themselves consider it as a minor detail........ROFL.
Beats a bullet, and better than pepper spray in a number of situations.
14 May 09
Originally posted by CrowleyYup, the gang mentality at work again. He has both hands covering his face as they told him to do, and they still taser him, and then just for good measure taser him again after he is down and handcuffed.
Tasering the guy repeatedly, smacking him over the head and smashing his head into shards of glass?
It smacks of people enjoying their position of 'authority' just a little too much...
They should all be fired, every single one of them that participated in that incident! I think a few of them even deserve some jail time with buba, might give them a different outlook on life.
17 May 09
He was at a state border crossing check point. When asked to get out of your car and be searched, you don't have the option of saying no. He was there for AN HOUR arguing with them when the police showed up and gave him his final warning. Jerk brought it upon himself.