13 Jul 07
Originally posted by lioyankthere are quite a lot of freeloaders around. the immigrants come in and get work straight away but those people have adjusted to living off benefits. once they adjust to that they are pretty much useless.
Ok. So I'll get right to it. I was conversing with a (supposed) person from the UK and was told the following:
- He is 33 years old.
- He hasn't worked since age 15.
- He is an immigrant from Afganistan.
- He is on welfare.
- He receives free rent, $400 cash to spend per WEEK, and has "free tax council" (whatever that means).
- He seems t ...[text shortened]... s possible, or even commonplace in the UK. To me, this seems more than slightly ridiculous.
the system is bad, it facilitates dependancy and fraud.
13 Jul 07
Originally posted by PhlabibitThe ordinary people care but the "authorities" appear not to.
What was the news article headline? "[b]Immigrant steals, but no one cared"?
P-[/b]
If I could be bothered, I could dig out a news article about one who was in a supermarket and just piled masses of stuff into his trolley, at the checkout when he was told he didn't have enough money he went into a tirade shouting and screaming. The supermarket people phoned up the welfare who told them to just let him go with what he had.
And some people have loads of kids which then somehow entitles them to loads of extra cash. One guy on a TV program that I saw had 11 kids and was getting over £1000 a week. He was demanding that a larger house should be supplied [rent-free, of course] He was not an immigrant but it's not a rare situation in the UK. Great eh? 🙄
13 Jul 07
Originally posted by eamon oYep, the UK encourages laziness, especially with the stupid tax credit system.
there are quite a lot of freeloaders around. the system is bad, it facilitates dependancy
To show just how crappy the system is lets take 3 average couples who have two children each.
Couple A are wasters and husband works 25 hours a week for £150 (Gross) £6 per hour
His net pay after tax and NIC is £595 per month
Based on his situation he can claim child tax credits and working tax credits of £4,921 per year or an extra £410 per month
His net income per month is £1,005 for working 108.3 hours
This is a net hourly rate of £9.28
Couple B's husband works harder working 50 hours per week for £300 (Gross) £6 per hour
His net pay after tax and NIC is £1,030 per month
Based on his situation he can claim child tax credits and working tax credits of £3,324 per year or an extra £277 per month
His net income per month is £1,307 for working 216.6 hours
This is a net hourly rate of £6.04
Couple C's husband works hard working 60 hours per week for £500 (Gross) £8.33 per hour
His net pay after tax and NIC is £1,610 per month
Based on his situation he can claim child tax credits and working tax credits of £507 per year or an extra £42 per month
His net income per month is £1,652 for working 260 hours
This is a net hourly rate of £6.35
Couples B & C work long hours and their reward?
Couple B earns £302 more per month than Couple A but has to work an extra 108.3 hours.
Couple C earns £647 more per month than Couple A but has to work an extra 151.7 hours to do so.
The above are all genuine figures and just go to show that many people are actually better off sitting at home doing nothing, waiting for their next Government handout to hit their bank account.
Is it any wonder that people are flocking to Britain?
13 Jul 07
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Originally posted by Dr Strangelovewas this the same man whose wife and live in girlfriend were both pregnant too, or am i thinking of something else?
The ordinary people care but the "authorities" [b]appear not to.
If I could be bothered, I could dig out a news article about one who was in a supermarket and just piled masses of stuff into his trolley, at the checkout when he was told he didn't have enough money he went into a tirade shouting and screaming. The supermarket people phoned up t ...[text shortened]... of course] He was not an immigrant but it's not a rare situation in the UK. Great eh? 🙄[/b]
would it be feasible to pay people to visit those on benefits and work out if they should be on benefits or not? the money saved this way would pay for those doing the checking and thus britain would have a larger workforce and so (maybe) be more productive?
13 Jul 07
Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveWell if that is considered a racist statement I would think 90% of us British people are racist. We are over-run by imigrants and asylum seekers. I'm sure a lot of people from other countries may not understand but most decent Brits are soooooooo pissed off by the problem and if we voice our concerns we are deemed to be rasicts. Where I live it is a MAJOR PROBLEM, one that is too complicated to be covered fully here on this wonderful chess site but I'm with you Dr
It's not intended as a racist statement - simply a fact that appears regularly in the news here.
13 Jul 07
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Originally posted by ManualEnginecuriously, when a lot of the eastern european countries joined the EU i didn't notice any difference until i returned home from uni. i have seen 1 (yes, 1. o-n-e.) big issue seller who doesn't look like their from estern europe. the guy with the crutches outside of sainsburys in glasgow. one.
Well if that is considered a racist statement I would think 90% of us British people are racist. We are over-run by imigrants and asylum seekers. I'm sure a lot of people from other countries may not understand but most decent Brits are soooooooo pissed off by the problem and if we voice our concerns we are deemed to be rasicts. Where I live it is a MAJ ...[text shortened]... t is too complicated to be covered fully here on this wonderful chess site but I'm with you Dr
and the standard of busking has gone down hill too...
13 Jul 07
Originally posted by AimiThis was my understanding also, in the 6 weeks I've claimed over the past 12 years. Damn, if I'd known I'd be able to earn £400 a week without busting my pan, trying to make VP, well....life could have been so much different
A single person on benefits would receive £45 per week. So don't know where or how he would get £400??
13 Jul 07
Originally posted by Mad Mac MacMad(the quote was dollars, so £200. just thought i would point this out...😛)
This was my understanding also, in the 6 weeks I've claimed over the past 12 years. Damn, if I'd known I'd be able to earn £400 a week without busting my pan, trying to make VP, well....life could have been so much different
13 Jul 07
Still excessive in my opinion - but as always, in a democratic society, there's always going to be a few exceptions, who know how to play the rules to their advantage.
PS - why would we talk about dollars, when referring to the UK from the initial post. To be pedantic that would be £196.62
13 Jul 07
Originally posted by geniusI have to rec you there, as you mirror so many peoples views ! However, I haven't seen, heard or met many Hungarians oddly enough ! and of course the French and Germans find it too costly here. My Friend from Germany says it is too expensive and my friend from Tallinn, Estonia decided to up and off as he realised the cost was simply too much for him to stay ! and he was working here !!!
curiously, when a lot of the eastern european countries joined the EU i didn't notice any difference until i returned home from uni. i have seen 1 (yes, 1. o n e.) big issue seller who doesn't look like their from eatern europe. the guy with the crutches outside of sainsburys in glasgow. one.
and the standard of busking has gone down hill too...
It certainly seems that it may be the cause of major discontent in times to come, that's for sure .
13 Jul 07
Originally posted by ROGER THE DODGERApologies here, I mean't to rec Manual Engines' post, sorry about that :-)
I have to rec you there, as you mirror so many peoples views ! However, I haven't seen, heard or met many Hungarians oddly enough ! and of course the French and Germans find it too costly here. My Friend from Germany says it is too expensive and my friend from Tallinn, Estonia decided to up and off as he realised the cost was simply too much for hi ...[text shortened]... rtainly seems that it may be the cause of major discontent in times to come, that's for sure .
13 Jul 07
Originally posted by lioyankam some peple think i am racist, when i say they should be here if they don't intend to do anything constructive, and by that i don't mean construct bombs
Ok. So I'll get right to it. I was conversing with a (supposed) person from the UK and was told the following:
- He is 33 years old.
- He hasn't worked since age 15.
- He is an immigrant from Afganistan.
- He is on welfare.
- He receives free rent, $400 cash to spend per WEEK, and has "free tax council" (whatever that means).
- He seems t ...[text shortened]... s possible, or even commonplace in the UK. To me, this seems more than slightly ridiculous.