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Chris Guffogg
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@petewxyz
A red thumb😒. Should be in the debates, yes but this thread thus far has intelligent people. I don't go or even click on the debates for fear of verbal uneducated rape.

Personally regards the NHS🤷‍♂️ - PFI (Blair & Brown) have a lot to answer for. I read in Private Eye just how f/ed up the Treasury was when Labour got voted out. Autstrey was needed, how long it should of continued is for debates & I'm sure El Duce and acolites will jump in feet first without parachute🚬

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@hells-caretaker said
@petewxyz
A red thumb😒. Should be in the debates, yes but this thread thus far has intelligent people. I don't go or even click on the debates for fear of verbal uneducated rape.

Personally regards the NHS🤷‍♂️ - PFI (Blair & Brown) have a lot to answer for. I read in Private Eye just how f/ed up the Treasury was when Labour got voted out. Autstrey was needed, how ...[text shortened]... continued is for debates & I'm sure El Duce and acolites will jump in feet first without parachute🚬
To be honest it doesn't seem to be party political. NHS Admin and Management roles went up twenty fold since the 1980s and the creation of the 'internal market' and bed numbers went down. The graphs that I have seen don't waver according to which party was in or out of power from that time, just a constant trend.

Call for efficiencies always hit the front line and not management. Less nurses on wards and trained nurse roles replaced by health care assistants. Then in the past few years when austerity was enacted by reducing front line workers, more demoralised nurses and doctors simply left posts vacant as well. Massive problems with recruitment and retention. My old role has 27% vacancy now so if you take a job you pretty much know you will be asked to cover a vacant role as well through good will.

Untargeted austerity slashed the front line and not the hoards of Trust directors and managers. Now we are taking a serious hit to the economy, protecting that front line and the treasury is in a worse state than pre-austerity. I'm just saying would it have been done better if the government had had a real fear of losing an election by doing it so badly? Would there have been as much need for lockdown if the NHS was stronger in the winter? It's hard to get rid of the bureaucrats, but the government side stepped it completely knowing the opposition would fail to effectively call them out on health.

(Then there is the strength of the front line in other public services - see Manchester Arena)

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@Hells-Caretaker
In short, democracy works because you are not guaranteed power if you just do whatever you like. It's the opposition's job to keep you in check and Corbyn failed when the state of public services should have made that easy.

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@petewxyz
Agree with your take, I know you know about NHS than in as much as I've been there in a while (that said in Bolton these days it's a strong possibility & not just because of COVID). The last time was in Wythenshawe, carpark charges were to total urine take. Boots on the ground not more managers.

First place you don't want to go and the last you want to be, I'll bend a knee for those that are frontline in this.

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