19 Feb 04
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http://www.legalisedrugs.co.uk/results.html
Well, I guess we all know by now what the western pro-drug lobby is trying to say but I've found an interesting article from a side we seldom hear from in this discussion, from Islam.
About the Author:
Mazhar Khan Pathan is actively involved in the field of Islamic dawah and has work published on various websites and international publications.
Decriminalizing Crime: Dealing with Drugs
"Introduction
In the defence of freedom, Islam is often accused of being unable to deal with modern day problems. Below we look at why the contrary is true.
In recent days the debate over legalising drugs has revealed the inability of the Western political system to deal effectively with this problem or for that matter any problem based on the creed of freedom. In following its creed to deal with the problem of drugs, the matter remains far from resolved, exposing the impracticality of such a creed.
Substance abuse is a huge problem in the world. Drugs are consumed for either hedonistic pursuits or as a means to escape from a miserable life. Whatever the reason, both are intrinsically tied to Capitalism, the ideology of freedom. Some take drugs to practise their freedom to create heaven on earth. Others take drugs to escape from the hell created by freedom. ....... etc."
http://www.crescentlife.com/articles/decriminalizing_crime_drugs.htm
What are your thoughts about this article ?
21 Feb 04
If there is an argument against... what is it. The US is dealing with the poppy farmers of Afghanistan and allowing the cash to flow. In my more cynical moments... you don't suppose it is for the money they pay to the corrupt, do you?
I think so.
If you make it "not a crime" then there goes all the money.
Prohibition has never worked. It is always put forth by those "who know" so that they can get rich. Joe Kennedy did it. Why can't we?
Mike
21 Feb 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeNo.
The question is: "Can you decriminalise crime by agreement".
Can we change something that is a crime into something that isn't a crime any more ?
We are such a brain dead society that any such action would cause half the "druggies" to shoot themselves and the anti-drug crowd to wet themselves in revultion of personal responsibility.
Or... maybe...
If you look at it again. Drugs, tobacco and all the rest... what do they do? Make you stupid? Yes. Are you stupid for taking them? Yes. Did they have any effect on society?
Yes. The fact that you had to kill, steal and commit crime to get them had a great effect. Remember those people you killed in the robbery?
To change or not to change? If drugs were available to every kid...
Hmmm.... think about this, liberals. If you would show responsibility in "Gay Marriage" and "Abortion"... maybe us "Adults" would say.. "I guess they can handle it." Never let it be said that the "silly issues" have no effect on society.
Mike.
21 Feb 04
Originally posted by StarValleyWy
No.
We are such a brain dead society that any such action would cause half the "druggies" to shoot themselves and the anti-drug crowd to wet themselves in revultion of personal responsibility.
Or... maybe...
If you look at it again. Drugs, tobacco and all the rest... what do they do? Make you stupid? Yes. Are you stupid for taking them? Yes. ...[text shortened]... handle it." Never let it be said that the "silly issues" have no effect on society.
Mike.
There are people that state that you can change wrong to right just by agreement. Liberals hold these views. Well, I hope not all of them.
21 Feb 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeThat reality would so bend to our whim!
There are people that state that you can change wrong to right just by agreement. Liberals hold these views. Well, I hope not all of them.
Nope. There just has to be consequences. One of those for liberals who propone evil is that we... the adults of society... will never let them do it without a fight. Because. We don't really give a crap if they kill themselves off [by not being able to procreate, for example] but we don't want them to have a "right" to PREVENT natural behavior. That is the logical next step. Once you have convinced the world that "butt slapping" is a good way of satisfying natures need for 'more children'... it follows that you can pervert the idea of proginy.
21 Feb 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeSlavery used to be viewed as morally all right. Now it is viewed as being morally reprehensible. Why did it change? Because our views toward slavery have changed over time, so we agreed to make it illegal. You could make a similar case about any number of things, especially drugs.
There are people that state that you can change wrong to right just by agreement. Liberals hold these views. Well, I hope not all of them.
21 Feb 04
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Originally posted by rwingettIt changed not because of societal norms. It changed because Lincoln was willing to commit the lives of hundreds of thousands of souls to painful death through battle... To secure the rights of the REPUBLIC.
Slavery used to be viewed as morally all right. Now it is viewed as being morally reprehensible. Why did it change? Because our views toward slavery have changed over time, so we agreed to make it illegal. You could make a similar case about any number of things, especially drugs.
It happened because those from the anti-slave states fought and died so that future generations could ignore THE SAME RIGHT OF FREEDOM for the Iraqi people have never known. Not in 11,000 years.
In short. You don't have a right to speak as to "morally right".
I don't think i do either. All i have ever done is protect "honor" and "right" from demogogues.
I wanted to do more. But the fates allow what they will.
Slavery? The idea of the "Republic" set them free. Lincoln was the first "Republican".
Slavery? Democracy was the ensalver. The Torries were the prime sponser. Still are. Except now they espouse "political correctness" to fight battles of logic. And the enslavement is that of "entitlements".
Slavery is no longer viewed as right. But those adults among us who recognize the suffering and death of those who FOUGHT and DIED for that principle, resent the hell out of those ... like you... who cringe from reality and justice. Those of you who say "Justice Comes From Talk". Bullshi*!!!
Mike
Post Scriptum... I regained my courage from last week. I thought about what if I actually had been called to lead our nation in battle...In this time... "My Time". I am, or would be a class mate with those leading the battle in Iraq. I regained my courage by reviewing the options that the world has presented. I am better this week. I am not wondering if the death of some thousands of "good people" are "worth the price". The answer has to be yes. Without the truth ... that is in Iraq... fighting Islam... can there be any future for the girls now ready to start school?
The girl is ready to start school. What is my responsibility? Allow the crazy mindless fools to dominate... or <cry> allow the death of thousands of innocent soldiers who only want to "do the do and go home too." Same as my generation? Yes. Same question. Same answer. Freedom always.
My generation gave up and ushered in Pol Pot. May the current generation learn from our mistakes.
Mike
21 Feb 04
Originally posted by rwingett
Slavery used to be viewed as morally all right. Now it is viewed as being morally reprehensible. Why did it change? Because our views toward slavery have changed over time, so we agreed to make it illegal. You could make a similar case about any number of things, especially drugs.
..... or killing or murder.
21 Feb 04
Originally posted by rwingett
Slavery used to be viewed as morally all right. Now it is viewed as being morally reprehensible. Why did it change? Because our views toward slavery have changed over time, so we agreed to make it illegal. You could make a similar case about any number of things, especially drugs.
So, tell me why using drugs is a good thing to do.
21 Feb 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeKilling is generally viewed as being wrong. But not always. Killing the enemy on the battlefield is widely accepted. Some people accept that certain criminals deserve to be killed for their offenses. In your bible, god even killed all the firstborn of Egypt (in addition to many others). In addition, our views about these things have changed over time. While murder has always been considered wrong, what constitutes murder, and what kinds of killing we are willing to sanction have changed considerably.
..... or killing or murder.
21 Feb 04
Originally posted by ivanhoeThey're not a good thing to do. Quite the contrary, they're a stupid thing to do. The question is whether the state has the right to regulate that aspect of your personal behavior, or not, or whether it is effective for them to even attempt to do so.
So, tell me why using drugs is a good thing to do.
21 Feb 04
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Originally posted by rwingettMy (?) bible ....
Killing is generally viewed as being wrong. But not always. Killing the enemy on the battlefield is widely accepted. Some people accept that certain criminals deserve to be killed for their offenses. In your bible, god even killed all the ...[text shortened]... of killing we are willing to sanction have changed considerably.
By the way .... people can kill, God cannot .... The same way you cannot steal something that belongs to you.