03 Mar 10
Originally posted by StarrmanTry to stay focused on your original charge: that Truth doesn't exist (I only use the capitalization to piss Paly off... that, and it makes it easier to distinguish it as a concept).
The pathetic thing is that you are beating this horse to death without realising you're going the wrong way. I've defined my terms without being inconsistent and without using 'truth'. You've sidestepped every request for clarification and have merely brought in more undefined terms to try and get you out of trouble.
03 Mar 10
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHHe didn't say truth doesn't exist, he said moral truth does not exist. Shirley, you see a difference?
Try to stay focused on your original charge: that Truth doesn't exist (I only use the capitalization to piss Paly off... that, and it makes it easier to distinguish it as a concept).
03 Mar 10
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Originally posted by Palynka
He didn't say truth doesn't exist, he said moral truth does not exist. Shirley, you see a difference?
Originally posted by Starrman
That definition suggests truth or correctness, a code of morals. What if one's morals differ from another's? What of absolutism and relativism?
Integrity doesn't rely on truth, it relies on consistency.
Read much?
03 Mar 10
Originally posted by FreakyKBHYou use truth with a capital letter because it's definition is directly linked to your belief structure.
Try to stay focused on your original charge: that Truth doesn't exist (I only use the capitalization to piss Paly off... that, and it makes it easier to distinguish it as a concept).
You can't yet define it and I consider it irrelavent as anything other than a colloquial term exactly because it is so vague a concept. So, if and when you can define 'truth' you can accuse me of using it, or use it to support your stance, until then you're not saying anything.
03 Mar 10
Originally posted by StarrmanYou're simply saying that there exists no ultimate truth; I say there does. The difference between our two 'belief structures' is that you rely on mine in order to make any statements about yours: you cannot make a true statement without truth existing.
You use truth with a capital letter because it's definition is directly linked to your belief structure.
You can't yet define it and I consider it irrelavent as anything other than a colloquial term exactly because it is so vague a concept. So, if and when you can define 'truth' you can accuse me of using it, or use it to support your stance, until then you're not saying anything.
Contradictions only occur when a standard is established. Acknowledging the standard is agreeing with its existence, its reality. Contradicting the standard requires acknowledgment of the standard.
03 Mar 10
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI came here to define integrity, not to wade in your epistemic swamp.
You're simply saying that there exists no ultimate truth; I say there does. The difference between our two 'belief structures' is that you rely on mine in order to make any statements about yours: you cannot make a true statement without truth existing.
Contradictions only occur when a standard is established. Acknowledging the standard is agreeing ...[text shortened]... existence, its reality. Contradicting the standard requires acknowledgment of the standard.
03 Mar 10
in·teg·ri·ty
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English integrite, from Middle French & Latin; Middle French integrité, from Latin integritat-, integritas, from integr-, integer entire
Date: 14th century
Firm adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic values : incorruptibility.
So an Incan priest cutting out the heart of a living person on an altar to appease the gods would thus be following his moral code, thus showing integrity.
03 Mar 10
Originally posted by homedepotovThis simply underscores the pedophile example. According to Starrman's take on it, because he's being consistent with his own moral code, the Incan has integrity.
in·teg·ri·ty
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English integrite, from Middle French & Latin; Middle French integrité, from Latin integritat-, integritas, from integr-, integer entire
Date: 14th century
Firm adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic values : incorruptibility.
So an Incan priest cutting out the heart of a living person on an altar to appease the gods would thus be following his moral code, thus showing integrity.
I submit there is a higher truth to which integrity speaks.
Of course, this 14th century definition is at odds with those who stand in contradiction to the idea that integrity has anything to do with moral codes...