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Originally posted by PalynkaTune in to the Doctor Phil house this week, there's a racist black woman, who happens to be racist against black people.
You could well be married to an Asian and still be a racist with respect to black people (or other races).
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(Let me know how it unfolds, I'm at work.)
IMHO, if you make a comment (or gesture) that is not consistent with treating an ethnic group (minority or otherwise), a race, or a people, with all due respect, then it is ... derogatory.
If you are not a member of that ethnic group, race, or people, then the comment moves from being derogatory to being ... inflammatory.
If you have previously demonstrated "intolerance" or "making disrespectful jibes at" that ethnic group (or others), their race, or people, then ...yes... it is... most certainly... racist.
I do not beleive there are ANY circumstances that should permit racist comments to be made in a public arena.
(Comedians may be arguable, I accept, and I have no answer to this; laughing at something we individually or collectively find funny is something we simply have no control over, however honourable our stance in life may be)
But comedy and hatred are distinctly separate...and the former is poor camouflage for the latter unless everyone sees a punchline.
Lines must be drawn with regard to making such posts in public forums, whether at RHP or anywhere else, just as there are in the real world...anonymity is a freedom that is often abused, and certainly has been here... but long-term, no commercial venture is going to risk its good name (or, indeed it's successful perpetuity) for the sake of allowing anonymous bigots a soapbox...you might like to consider the fact that if we do not manage ourselves better in this respect, there is a very real danger of matters becoming excessive, and at some point, then, either Russ will decide to, or even may become obliged to, close these forums.
As responsible members of this community, just as in any other (virtual or real), permitting such things is tantamount to inviting more dross into the community than is currently encountered.
Assuming we all agree with that, then surely it is perfectly clear that there is no need for such unjust, unwarranted and especially, unwanted, comments to be made in the first place...nor is there a need to promote the Freedom Of Speech ticket in defence of individuals that make those comments...
I'm afraid I can only feel sorrow for those that jump to the defence of a racist for no other reason than the (misguided or not) embittered dislike of an individual who has stood up and rightly cried : "Stop!".
I have two reasons for saying that last bit:
First : Such a position provides no basis of argument against the concept of allowing "Death To All Americans / British / Black / Whites / Gays / whoever" posts from all and sundry.....you might just as well email an invite to Abu Hamza al-Masri and his ilk to air their views too.
Two : Ever hear the phrase "tarred with the same brush" ?
Get a grip people.
Whatever chuckles the comedians may draw from us, denigrating fellow human beings out loud, based entirely on what makes them different from us, is just not right.
Comedians at least, have an acute sense for their audience, and on the night, they quickly know where to draw the line (well, the successful ones anyway).
But many of you (actually, us, since I am no comedian either) don't have that sense, and thus, simply SHOULDN'T.
Collectively, let's put personal differences aside and get back to recognising that those that still do, are either trolls or scum...and should be treated accordingly.
Thanks for reading.
Originally posted by Zadadka😕
Whatever chuckles the comedians may draw from us, denigrating fellow human beings out loud, based entirely on what makes them different from us, is just not right.
Comedians at least, have an acute sense for their audience, and on the night, they quickly know where to draw the line (well, the successful ones anyway).
Picture the scene. KKK meeting and a standup comedian.
Racist jokes aplenty - OK or not as comedian has an acute sense for his audience!
Originally posted by PalynkaI'm afraid that it's your argument that's full of holes, Palynka. I could be happily married to a black lady or any other race. It makes no difference to me. And I'd be just as likely to defend Reverend Kirksey's right to free speech if he was posting stuff about white people, asians or anyone else.
You could well be married to an Asian and still be a racist with respect to black people (or other races). I'm not saying you are, just that your argument isn't really valid.
Ultimately what he is saying is just words. He's not hurting anybody. On the other hand his detractors seem to be interested in stirring up a lynch mob to go after him because they disagree with the things he is saying. Where does this stop? Once you've lopped off the heads of everyone who you claim is a racist, who will you go after next? Perhaps those with whom you have some political, social or economic disagreement. Where does it end? ...when it's just Red Night standing atop a mountain of the bodies of everyone who's not-Red-Night? That's the logical conclusion of his crusades.
I know where I would end it. I would end it right now! There's absolutely no reason to try to silence Reverend Kirksey. If your beliefs are so weak that you feel the need to silence him, maybe you should reconsider why you have so little faith in the ability of your own beliefs to stand up to his.
Originally posted by leisurelyslothWhats this crap I hear about words not hurting anybody? Words hurt people every day. If your wife said, "I hate you, you jerk and I never want to hear from you again because you are just an A-hole who is not worth my time" you would not feel hurt?
I'm afraid that it's your argument that's full of holes, Palynka. I could be happily married to a black lady or any other race. It makes no difference to me. And I'd be just as likely to defend Reverend Kirksey's right to free speech if he was posting stuff about white people, asians or anyone else.
Ultimately what he is saying is just words. ...[text shortened]... r why you have so little faith in the ability of your own beliefs to stand up to his.
Originally posted by tomtom232I think I'd survive it. Maybe you need to grow a little thicker skin.
Whats this crap I hear about words not hurting anybody? Words hurt people every day. [b]If your wife said, "I hate you, you jerk and I never want to hear from you again because you are just an A-hole who is not worth my time" you would not feel hurt?[/b]
Originally posted by leisurelyslothI think he means...."if someone insults a black, or an asian (but not an Irish)....you hate him, god damn it 😠"....ya big baby 😛
I'm afraid I don't. Perhaps you could explain what you mean using a lot of small words, such that my childlike intellect could begin to comprehend....
Originally posted by leisurelyslothI didn't accuse you of racism.
I'm afraid that it's your argument that's full of holes, Palynka. I could be happily married to a black lady or any other race. It makes no difference to me. And I'd be just as likely to defend Reverend Kirksey's right to free speech if he was posting stuff about white people, asians or anyone else.
Ultimately what he is saying is just words. ...[text shortened]... r why you have so little faith in the ability of your own beliefs to stand up to his.
Nobody is "lynching" him or "lopping heads". He was banned for a few days for acting like a jerk, that's all. Many respectable posters have been banned before, I don't see why Kirksey should be entitled to special treatment.
And my beliefs are not weak. They are actually strong enough that I'm happy to defend someone that acts accordingly (like the Mod did).
And Red Night's position is irrelevant to me here. I dislike him as much as the next guy, but here I agree with him. Some things are bigger than forum quibbles.
Originally posted by tomtom232I take it you don't have a girlfriend/wife then? because that's exactly the kind of thing that gets said when you love and trust someone.
[b]If your wife said, "I hate you, you jerk and I never want to hear from you again because you are just an A-hole who is not worth my time" you would not feel hurt?[/b]
and the thing is, being able to say such things and at the same time know that you know she's venting out just words, is what makes the relationship good. you can't really have a relationship if you have to censor your feelings.
after the storm there will be apologies (if needed) and sweet make-up sex.
