27 Feb 09
Originally posted by zozozozoProof?
why not?
why take these things for granted without any real reason to?
If there was some sort of absolute proof of the existance of souls i would like to learn about it, yes i would be very interested.
are you saying that all i represent and all my expreiences are "mere scrap"?🙂
and i never said there isnt anything more then what i represent or experience myself.
No.
Man is given Free Will. He has to decide, through Faith, where his Fate lies.
Proof is like being given the answers to the exam. It's cheating.
27 Feb 09
Originally posted by ivan2908Fair enough.
Well, I respect people and their beliefs. But that question was oriented towards more philosophical/agnostic/atheist type of forum posters because for people who believe in God and life after death, my question doesn't have any sense in the first place.
In addition to that, I am familiar with religious explanations so I wanted to hear some I am unfamiliar with.
We all know there are far more of that type here in the forum. 😛
27 Feb 09
Faith is developed in young children by repeating the same dogma over and over again, and if they question it they are told they will go to hell, but if they believe, they will go to heaven....child abuse!! I do think there is more to life than we can see, but the self-serving multi-national corporations that run the organised religions can never provide the answer.
27 Feb 09
Originally posted by acb123That is why we are told "Be still, and know." or "Seek, and ye shall find."
Faith is developed in young children by repeating the same dogma over and over again, and if they question it they are told they will go to hell, but if they believe, they will go to heaven....child abuse!! I do think there is more to life than we can see, but the self-serving multi-national corporations that run the organised religions can never provide the answer.
Faith is an ongoing study. Children learning by rote, yet never learning how to ask the right questions, nor where to look for answers, is the reason for the vast numbers of atheists in the world today. So what you are calling Faith, is actually the antithesis of Faith.
27 Feb 09
Originally posted by SuzianneYou say "that is why we are told"....told by whom? The answers we are all seeking are best sought alone, without any preconceived notions, and without baggage.
That is why we are told "Be still, and know." or "Seek, and ye shall find."
Faith is an ongoing study. Children learning by rote, yet never learning how to ask the right questions, nor where to look for answers, is the reason for the vast numbers of atheists in the world today. So what you are calling Faith, is actually the antithesis of Faith.
27 Feb 09
Originally posted by ayceebeeWe are given the manual to our time here.
You say "that is why we are told"....told by whom? The answers we are all seeking are best sought alone, without any preconceived notions, and without baggage.
Few recognize it as such, and fewer still heed its advice.
RTFM.
It is better to seek for answers where the answers are to be found.
27 Feb 09
is it possible that with the discovery of DNA helix in 1956 we have all evolved down our family tree and when we die we will continue to evolve until we are born again with the same DNA but a slightly longer helix hence evolution. In other words we have always been here and always will or until some crazy politician destroys us all. One thing is for sure the human race will have to be long gone in a couple of million years time, which in turn gives us that amount of time to find a way to exceed the speed of light and get out of here
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27 Feb 09
Originally posted by brian ashtonWith a tab of "Yellow Sunshine" it's already been done. If memory serves me well it was July 16, 1966.
is it possible that with the discovery of DNA helix in 1956 we have all evolved down our family tree and when we die we will continue to evolve until we are born again with the same DNA but a slightly longer helix hence evolution. In other words we have always been here and always will or until some crazy politician destroys us all. One thing is for sur ...[text shortened]... turn gives us that amount of time to find a way to exceed the speed of light and get out of here
27 Feb 09
Originally posted by SuzianneIm afraid i dont quite follow you here. i understand the free will part, anyone can think what they want.
Proof?
No.
Man is given Free Will. He has to decide, through Faith, where his Fate lies.
Proof is like being given the answers to the exam. It's cheating.
But then, i dont understand what faith (faith in a religion or also in a general way?) has to do with fate (uncontrolable? you cant decide what your fate is?).
Could you please try to explain this to me in an easy, simple written, way, so my tiny brain could understand it?🙂
"Proof is like being given the answers to the exam. It's cheating."
proof is bad in your opinion? i can not imagine what our world would look like if there was no proof for anything...it would be upside down for sure tho..
Let me try to change your mind with an example (lets make this a chess example, we both speak that leaguage😉 ):
Lets say its able to proof that giving up your Queen for free (positioning it in a place where it can be easily hit without giving any benefit to you) is a bad thing to do. The proof for this could be that the Queen is an important piece and ull probably need it to win. (i hope you can agree with me so far?)
I know this information before i start a game, im not just giving up my queen for free...am i cheating?
27 Feb 09
Originally posted by SuzianneIll have to admit, you are right, i wasnt really listening i had music on and stuff, in fact, its even worse, i didnt even ask the question to god😳
Led Zeppelin wrote, "And if you listen very hard, the tune will come to you at last."
I would suggest you are simply not listening hard enough.
to be honest, i wouldnt know how...i guess i can just ask the question in my head right? no need to shout...if id shout i guess he cant hear me all up in the clouds anyway.
May i ask you if you ever asked god a question, and did you get a reply?
27 Feb 09
Originally posted by brian ashtonNo.
is it possible that with the discovery of DNA helix in 1956 we have all evolved down our family tree and when we die we will continue to evolve until we are born again with the same DNA but a slightly longer helix hence evolution.
how would DNA evolve when we are dead? How could my DNA end up in a new zygote? and how does the helix get longer? every humans dna is about the same size, it just contains different information.
28 Feb 09
Originally posted by ivan2908You can, but that type of "hope" is called faith. It's found in christianity (which incidentally is not found in the Spirtuality forum).
I just hope that soul can be recycled so I can born again as something/someone different.
"something/someone different"? You not happy with who you are then?