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16 Apr 07
16 Apr 07
My mum was talking about the bees dying off a couple of months ago. She said she'd heard various bee-keepers (inkas?) on the BBC world service stating that bee populations were down and that they speculated that this would be happening to wasp colonies as well.
And without these two insects there won't be enough pollonation.
Oh well. Mum's always right, I guess...
16 Apr 07
Originally posted by shavixmirMum was right, but let's hope Einstein wasn't.
My mum was talking about the bees dying off a couple of months ago. She said she'd heard various bee-keepers (inkas?) on the BBC world service stating that bee populations were down and that they speculated that this would be happening to wasp colonies as well.
And without these two insects there won't be enough pollonation.
Oh well. Mum's always right, I guess...
16 Apr 07
Originally posted by shavixmirIf it could be altered so bees were ok and it only affected the wasps, it would be better. My neighbourhood is plagued by wasps every year.
My mum was talking about the bees dying off a couple of months ago. She said she'd heard various bee-keepers (inkas?) on the BBC world service stating that bee populations were down and that they speculated that this would be happening to wasp colonies as well.
And without these two insects there won't be enough pollonation.
Oh well. Mum's always right, I guess...
16 Apr 07
Originally posted by Pawn QweenApparently if you hang a paper sphere from a tree wasps think its a rivals nest and wont come near for fear of being attacked. Dont know how true but may try it this year. Think it was in one of them kleeneze catalogues or something.
If it could be altered so bees were ok and it only affected the wasps, it would be better. My neighbourhood is plagued by wasps every year.
16 Apr 07
Originally posted by lauseyCell phones took over a few of the UHF TV channel frequencies but the differance is not great anyway. In order for RF to efficiently couple to bees the wavelength has to be close to the size of the bee. So that may be 1/2 cm just as a guess. 1 meter is 300 MHZ, 0.5 Meter wavelength is 600 Mhz. 1 CM would be 30,000 MHZ, 1/2 CM would be 60,000 Mhz WAY WAY above almost everything we generate. One problem with those super high frequencies is they get absorbed by water mist in the atmosphere so it would be attenuated before it ever got to the bees. Cell phones have such a small RF field I can't see that energy making much differance to bees. It seems to me more likely they undergo cycles of abundance and decline like other insects.
I thought that the electromagnetic waves used by mobile phones where in the microwave region. Higher frequency than used by radio and TV.
Lady bugs for instance, come in cycles several years apart. I know that one for a fact, having seen the up cycle, thousands of the dam things in every nook and cranny in the house, then next year, nothing.
Three-four years later, they're back. I think they will find the same thing happens to bees. That still does not mean something else could be killing bees, like some new pollutant or an old one going up the food chain like DDT used to. They would have to have controlled experiments with bees exposed to RF and control bees not exposed to show a definite relationship to RF radiation. If if was found to be true, it would not be easy to fix as susquash suggests, we might be forced to go to infrared bands which as far as I know are very benign. It could be done but there would have to be hundreds of times the towers I would think.
17 Apr 07
Originally posted by runninfiendI was a cell phone hater too. Then my car died on the side of a highway one December at dusk and I had no way to call for help. After over an hour of frantically waving people down that very cold night, someone finally stopped. At that point I would have gotten in the car with an ax murderer, and knew I faced other dangers as well but didn't care any more. The couple who finally did stop had a cell phone, and I was able to call a friend for help. They also drove me to a safe place (a grocery store). Now I believe in cell phones for emergencies.
Let's hope it's true.
I'm an affirmed cell phone hater.
Have never had one, never will.
And take those infernal towers with you, too.