18 Jun 09
Originally posted by smw6869Why would a drug dealer want the dogs to give probable cause to alert their vehicle. Once it is alerted the Border patrol could take the vehicle completely apart piece by piece and leave it in a pile for you to get ride of. They wouldn't want that to happen.
The hamburger was not noticed by the officers and was removed by the Rev at a later date. This is a common trick used by drug dealers to get the dogs to identify the hamburger and cause the officers to let the car go. The Rev used this tactic to play funzie-do with the police and screw everyone behind him. The Rev was looking for a big money pay day.
GRANNY.
18 Jun 09
Originally posted by BlackampThere were no dogs.
time to change your underwear?😛
speaking of which, maybe that's what the dogs were getting so excited about. the pastor deliberately recycled his underpants to get the dogs worked up. clever plan, no incriminating hamburger mince to dispose of, all his has to do is throw his undies in the washing machine and the evidence is all gone. diabolically clever.
18 Jun 09
Originally posted by cashthetrash"pretty strong evidence"? Are you kidding? Ofcourse that isnt evidence. They are arguing with that so called pastor for an hour, he is being an ass in every way possible. Then why would the police/border patrol listen to (/'help'😉 him and bring the dogs out again? The dogs probably went eating or sleeping or chasing their own tales, or anything else WAY more important then what was going on with the so called pastor.
It could happen I suppose, but I am wondering if the dogs truly alerted his car in the first place. The Paster says no. and the border patrol and the DPS had the opportunity to bring the dog back but refused. Why because ther was no hamburger. I say instead, that is pretty strong evidence that the Border patrol was trying to falsify the probable cause by fictitiously claiming the the dog alerted the car.
And even if they did use the dogs as an excuse, that just indicates poor laws, they should be changed. Anyone who comes there, screaming for a taser shot should be able to get it right away.
We all heard the pastor say: My brain is hamburger cooked and id like to get it tasered!
I bet granny is laughing his/her ass off about all the serious reactions on his/her hamburgers lol
18 Jun 09
Has anyone here seen what drug sniffing dogs are trained to do when they are alerted to the scent of drugs? The last time I checked, dogs don't get excited and start scratching and yelping that they found something. they just sit. That's all. No excitement there at all.
Added note. Well trained dogs have one tremendous track record for finding illegal contraband in vehicles. So with added piece the dog probably smelled something in the car, and sat where he smelled it. Anderson was asked to move his vehicle so it can be searched, Showed his a$$ and made sure it wasn't about to happen. Refusing direct orders from law enforcement, and continued to escalate the issue by creating a hostile situation.
Sorry if you think the cops here were wrong, but in this day and age were safety and security means small sacrifices, such as allowing a search of a vehicle, Add to it, have cameras rolling top prove a point (interesting he didn't film the dog sniffing the vehicle, after all this was part of his statement, dog found nothing), Anderson, and I won't call him pastor, created, and escalated this entire incident.
It's not a crime to be an a$$, it is a crime not to follow a direct lawful order.
18 Jun 09
Originally posted by zozozozoAmerican laws for Americans are much more cooler than laws from the Netherlands. We are supposed to zap your guys not ours. We are supposed to be out of line. It's the American way. This is just WRONG.
"pretty strong evidence"? Are you kidding? Ofcourse that isnt evidence. They are arguing with that so called pastor for an hour, he is being an ass in every way possible. Then why would the police/border patrol listen to (/'help'😉 him and bring the dogs out again? The dogs probably went eating or sleeping or chasing their own tales, or anything else WAY mor ...[text shortened]... granny is laughing his/her ass off about all the serious reactions on his/her hamburgers lol
18 Jun 09
Originally posted by KJCavalierI dont know anything about the dog thing, but i agree with you on the other points.
Has anyone here seen what drug sniffing dogs are trained to do when they are alerted to the scent of drugs? The last time I checked, dogs don't get excited and start scratching and yelping that they found something. they just sit. That's all. No excitement there at all.
Added note. Well trained dogs have one tremendous track record for finding illegal ...[text shortened]... ent.
It's not a crime to be an a$$, it is a crime not to follow a direct lawful order.
"Anderson, and I won't call him pastor"
I think calling him pastor is an offense to christianity. And i dont even like christianity, but this is just even to offensive for me.
18 Jun 09
Originally posted by cashthetrashId rather have uncool laws that work well anyway.
American laws for Americans are much more cooler than laws from the Netherlands. We are supposed to zap your guys not ours. We are supposed to be out of line. It's the American way. This is just WRONG.
You can be out of line all you like, but just do it at the side of the highway and not on it...
18 Jun 09
Originally posted by KJCavalierThe Key word though is lawful. If a police officer told you to jump off a 30 story roof, would you obey that order? If an officer told you to give up your constitutional rights, would you? If you are willing to give up your rights and freedoms for temporary security, then you deserve neither freedom or security or something like that. It's an American thang.
Has anyone here seen what drug sniffing dogs are trained to do when they are alerted to the scent of drugs? The last time I checked, dogs don't get excited and start scratching and yelping that they found something. they just sit. That's all. No excitement there at all.
Added note. Well trained dogs have one tremendous track record for finding illegal ...[text shortened]... ent.
It's not a crime to be an a$$, it is a crime not to follow a direct lawful order.
18 Jun 09
Originally posted by cashthetrashThat would not be a lawful order, under almost any circumstance (building on fire may be the only time and ten I wouldn't need an order to do so) .
The Key word though is lawful. If a police officer told you to jump off a 30 story roof, would you obey that order? If an officer told you to give up your constitutional rights, would you? If you are willing to give up your rights and freedoms for temporary security, then you deserve neither freedom or security or something like that. It's an American thang.
Again it is legal stop, according to US LAW. The evidence of the dog has somehow been left out by all. Including one Anderson. So he has no case to show why he felt the dog part was a lie. I personally wouldn't have brought the dog back out knowing I have a man refusing to cooperate, making demands the dog be brought back out to recheck, and honestly would have been fearful of him attempting to run the dog over.
As for giving up my rights, The only thing I would see me giving up would simply be a minor inconvenience. Just as I have had to do going through airport terminals, Public office buildings, and so on. I have the need for metal for support, so I must set off metal detectors at every junction. I don't mind the wand, removing shoes, and so on. As a very necessary yet slightly annoying fact. I would still rather arrive at my destination, see the people I need to see and so on, rather than seeing what tower can be flown into next. What bombs can be delivered to another building, What hopped up junkie will go nuts over the drugs he is carrying.
A small sacrifice, sure. Worth it in the end. This isn't to say that I am not saddened that it has come to this, but, there are way to many people in this world who would do whatever they do to ruin it for those who want just their freedom.
18 Jun 09
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Originally posted by KJCavalierOriginally posted by KJCavalier
That would not be a lawful order, under almost any circumstance (building on fire may be the only time and ten I wouldn't need an order to do so) .
Again it is legal stop, according to US LAW. The evidence of the dog has somehow been left out by all. Including one Anderson. So he has no case to show why he felt the dog part was a lie. I personally wou n this world who would do whatever they do to ruin it for those who want just their freedom.
That would not be a lawful order, under almost any circumstance (building on fire may be the only time and ten I wouldn't need an order to do so) . Agreed and that was my point.
Again it is legal stop, according to US LAW. Agreed it is legal to STOP the vehicle. Not make an illegal search.
The evidence of the dog has somehow been left out by all. Including one Anderson.
Disagree ...What evidence, just like with George Bush and his illegal searches in Iraq, and his trumped up probable cause...when there was no weapons of mass destruction found. Do you see why it is important to get the facts right before you beat the heck out of a private citizens or kill people? You just can't go around invading peoples privacy and property or other Countries all Willy nilly on bad intelligence just because you want to. This wasn't handled in an intelligent manner.
So he has no case to show why he felt the dog part was a lie. I personally wouldn't have brought the dog back out knowing I have a man refusing to cooperate, making demands the dog be brought back out to recheck, and honestly would have been fearful of him attempting to run the dog over.
Disagree the fact that there were no drugs and no illegals in his car proves that the dog part was a lie. The dog and the Border Patrol made up a phony story. There were no weapons of mass destruction. FAIL~! If you would have done the same you also would have FAILED~! If you would put the life of a dog over that of a human then you are are failing to uphold your sworn duty to serve and to protect the United States citizens from both foreign and domestic threats and that include Border patrol agents and DPS offerers. Dogs are not American citizens. They have no legal rights.
A small sacrifice, sure. Worth it in the end. This isn't to say that I am not saddened that it has come to this, but, there are way to many people in this world who would do whatever they do to ruin it for those who want just their freedom.
I'll let this go because you apparently don't understand that small sacrifices given up accumulate into larger sacrifice, and before you know it you are owned and become a slave and no longer free. Give me liberty or give me death.
18 Jun 09
Originally posted by cashthetrashThis is definately going to be a case of us disagreeing on the points here. Lets just leave it at that. I am right in my mind as you are in yours.
Originally posted by KJCavalier
[b]That would not be a lawful order, under almost any circumstance (building on fire may be the only time and ten I wouldn't need an order to do so) . Agreed and that was my point.
Again it is legal stop, according to US LAW. Agreed it is legal to STOP the vehicle. Not make an illegal search.
...[text shortened]... it you are owned and become a slave and no longer free. Give me liberty or give me death.
Lets agree to disagree.
18 Jun 09
Originally posted by cashthetrashif the drug dealer is transporting drugs and thinks he may be stopped (not necessarily at a boarder crossing) he will place some raw hamburger in the vehicle. If a dog is used, it will point to the hamburger. The police will see it is hamburger and let the vehicle go....Maybe.
Why would a drug dealer want the dogs to give probable cause to alert their vehicle. Once it is alerted the Border patrol could take the vehicle completely apart piece by piece and leave it in a pile for you to get ride of. They wouldn't want that to happen.
And, ah, i can tie my crystal balls in a knot. I can tie them in a bow. You?
GRANNY.
18 Jun 09
Originally posted by smw6869ROFL - so simple.
if the drug dealer is transporting drugs and thinks he may be stopped (not necessarily at a boarder crossing) he will place some raw hamburger in the vehicle. If a dog is used, it will point to the hamburger. The police will see it is hamburger and let the vehicle go....Maybe.
And, ah, i can tie my crystal balls in a knot. I can tie them in a bow. You?
GRANNY.
Why oh why haven't the bigtime drug smugglers thought of that one, I wonder?
😵
18 Jun 09
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Originally posted by smw6869OFFICER 1: <to sniffer dog> Easy boy! Easy! You've found something? <to driver> I'm going to have to ask you to step ouside the vehicle, sir.
if the drug dealer is transporting drugs and thinks he may be stopped (not necessarily at a boarder crossing) he will place some raw hamburger in the vehicle. If a dog is used, it will point to the hamburger. The police will see it is hamburger and let the vehicle go....Maybe.
DRIVER: What's the problem, officer?
OFFICER 1: You need to step outside the vehicle, sir. we're going to search the vehicle for prohibited substances
OFFICER 2: <to officer 1> it's okay, Clyde - he's got some raw hamburger there on the front seat. That's what was getting Fido all excited. <to sniffer dog> 'who's a hungry boy? whoooo's a hungry boy? you are, aren't you? yes you are! yes you are!'
OFFICER 1: <to driver> okay sir, you're free to go. have a nice day.