Rewarding Conformity And Punishing Diversity

Originally posted by LivingLegend
Very good post, I've recommended it. 😏

I agree with what you say here about the goal of (most) humans to increase their standing in the community with (almost) everything they do in that same community, but in this situations, it does contain something good...
That is because I guess that the goal of the whole recommendations thingy is to raise t ...[text shortened]... I misunderstood what you were saying here.

And Mike, you're not too bad at all... 🙂

Olav

No. I'm sure that you have it right. That was the intent. It is the consequence that might not be what we expect.

Thanks, Olav. You ain't so bad yerself.😵

Ps... Don't you ever... EVER! EVER! give me another recommend. Or there'll be heck to pay!😠😏

Originally posted by Acolyte
I don't think recommendations are social engineering, but I do vote that Russ change "Total Recs:" in the forums to "Chimp Credits:". It has a certain ring to it!

What? Recommendations are almost by definition social engineering if people really do go to the "Recommended" section and read posts because other people liked them. I don't think Russ would have started the feature if the RHP chimps didn't have good taste in posts though, since there is a weak positive correlation between the number of recs a post has and the degree to which I think Quality has it.

Originally posted by StarValleyWy
I was much amused that RHP has resorted to the oldest societal trick in the book. I only get on the forums once in a while, and I realize that to many of you that is too often. Good. I did have a good chuckle over the 'Recommend' feature. Most people would have a difficult time saying this, and I don't expect there will be any supporters of this idea ...[text shortened]... i needed to worry about it. 😀

Always sailing against the wind, and proudly alone.

Mike

Do you think it is possible that some people are so at ease with themselves that their self esteem does not depend on getting a pat on the back from others (although that is always nice)? Some people do things for others because of a 'love' (in the Christian sense of 'agape'😉 for them.

Originally posted by StarValleyWy
You are not a member... in that case. They call it "Member", but you are a "Customer". < I hate euphamisms > Customers don't count. Customers are the cattle being milked, and Employees of AAA are the guys pulling hard on the teat to fill the most pails. If you "join" AAA then you are an employee. Everyting you do at that point is to curry favor w ...[text shortened]... to" leaders of the shifts. You can thus call in credits from them later, should the need arise.

One might argue that you are not an empolyee but self employed, you are providing the AA with your services for which they pay you. Therefore the AA are effectively your one &amp; only customer. Since customers don't count then no chimp credits can be gained from sucking up to the AA bosses.

One might also say that the fact that you are a customer rather than a member is irrelevent since the organisation would cease to exist in the absence of customers. Just like a club would cease to exist in the absence of any members.....
😀

Originally posted by Jay Peatea
One might argue that you are not an empolyee but self employed, you are providing the AA with your services for which they pay you. Therefore the AA are effectively your one & only customer. Since customers don't count then no chimp credits can be gained from sucking up to the AA bosses.

One might also say that the fact that you are a customer rather ...[text shortened]... ence of customers. Just like a club would cease to exist in the absence of any members.....
😀

I think SVW is a living example of a person who would not belong to any club that would have him as a member.

Originally posted by ianpickering
Do you think it is possible that some people are so at ease with themselves that their self esteem does not depend on getting a pat on the back from others (although that is always nice)? Some people do things for others because of a 'love' (in the Christian sense of 'agape'😉 for them.

Church is a poor example. It is designed as mostly a &quot;Chimp Credit&quot; reward system even the non professional church guys vie to be lay &quot;decons&quot; and &quot;elders&quot; and there is a tremendous struggle for influence within the local organizations for contol and 'say in matters.'

We won't even go into the big churches. Even the budhists vie for position. If you don't believe me, march into your local temple and announce that you are finished being an initiate. You are now taking over the operation of the temple. 😉 Just make sure not to try this at a Shao-Lin temple!🙄

Being raised a mormon was interesting too. Every group of six hundred members is called a Ward. Each ward has a chief monkey... the bishop and a first and second counciler and the ward clerk. This is the administration. Then there are the Quorum of High Priests in every ward. Then the Quorum of the Seventy. Each with three leaders. Then the Elders quorum. Then the Priests chorum. And the teachers. And the decons. Then the Relief Society with four leaders. And the Mutual Improvement Association. Five leaders, including the scout master. Then the Primary. And the Sunday School leaders. Then three different sets of music directors and organists and pianists. In addition... EVERY male over the age of 12 is assigned three homes that they must visit each month. By the time you are done, over half of the adults in each ward holds a position of some power. No dummys these mormons. They all work for free too! Go figure. Just for chimp credits in an organization that is their entire life.

In love... I actually admire this behavior, believe it or not.

Mike

Originally posted by royalchicken
I think SVW is a living example of a person who would not belong to any club that would have him as a member.

hang on... i'm choking again... RC! Shame on you. Don't you know that old guys like me could choke and just not survive that kind of unkind remark? &lt;even though i exspect you are right on.&gt;🙂

Originally posted by Jay Peatea
One might argue that you are not an empolyee but self employed, you are providing the AA with your services for which they pay you. Therefore the AA are effectively your one & only customer. Since customers don't count then no chimp credits can be gained from sucking up to the AA bosses.

One might also say that the fact that you are a customer rather ...[text shortened]... ence of customers. Just like a club would cease to exist in the absence of any members.....
😀

Hunh? Customers all have their own jobs and clubs and organizations. That is their &quot;domain&quot;. The domain &quot;At AAA&quot; excludes customers.

Originally posted by StarValleyWy
hang on... i'm choking again... RC! Shame on you. Don't you know that old guys like me could choke and just not survive that kind of unkind remark? <even though i exspect you are right on.>🙂

Even worse, that quote is by some comedians named after your main man Marx 😉.

Originally posted by royalchicken
Even worse, that quote is by some comedians named after your main man Marx 😉.

My favorite was always Harpo. He had the good sense not to speak too much.

Actually, I used a similar line when I skipped the final meeting of the NHS my junior year and they elected me pres. for the following year. I yelled at them... &quot;Don't you people have any pride at All?&quot; to which there was dead silence then a chorus that couldn't have been any better with a months work. &quot; NO! &quot;

Originally posted by StarValleyWy
My favorite was always Harpo. He had the good sense not to speak too much.

Actually, I used a similar line when I skipped the final meeting of the NHS my junior year and they elected me pres. for the following year. I yelled at them... "Don't you people have any pride at All?" to which there was dead silence then a chorus that couldn't have been any better with a months work. " NO! "

Awesome. Actually, the NHS won't have me as a member, which is a good thing, because even across chronological and geographical borders they still have no pride 😉.

NOTE TO BRITS: We are not talking about National Health, but rather about an exclusive organization of high school students called the National Honor Society which is apparently a pretty big deal among those who are into that sort of thing.

And SVW, your post is so funny I'm recommending it.

Originally posted by royalchicken
Awesome. Actually, the NHS won't have me as a member, which is a good thing, because even across chronological and geographical borders they still have no pride 😉.

NOTE TO BRITS: We are not talking about National Health, but rat ...[text shortened]... of thing.

And SVW, your post is so funny I'm recommending it.

&lt; how does one impart a raw, biiter tone of disgust, using only words... &gt; Oh. Gee RC. Thanks. &lt;grrrrrrr&gt; I really appreciate that really fine, really good pile of unwanted, DRIED UP! , SERIOUSLY UNDESERVED!, recommendation! 😠:'(😞😲😵

&lt;edit&gt; Really Sorry that you are so torn up about my obvious superiority within the NHS. Sorry you just didn't have what it took. I, of course have every qualification... and more! Better luck next time!😵

Ask me about getting drunk at the awards ceremony and dropping all the pins under the desk and giggling so hard I couldn't find half of them.😳😕

Originally posted by StarValleyWy
< how does one impart a raw, biiter tone of disgust, using only words... > Oh. Gee RC. Thanks. <grrrrrrr> I really appreciate that really fine, really good pile of unwanted, DRIED UP! , SERIOUSLY UNDESERVED!, recommendation! 😠:'(😞😲😵

<edit> Really Sorry that you are so torn up about my obvious superiority within the NHS. Sorry you just didn't ha ...[text shortened]... and dropping all the pins under the desk and giggling so hard I couldn't find half of them.😳😕

Yes...torn up🙄. So, SVW, what about getting drunk at the awards ceremony and dropping all the pins under the desk and giggling so hard you couldn't find half of them 😉?

Originally posted by royalchicken
Yes...torn up🙄. So, SVW, what about getting drunk at the awards ceremony and dropping all the pins under the desk and giggling so hard you couldn't find half of them 😉?

ok. Rc. Remember... &quot;Everybody likes a Little... Nobody likes a smart.&quot;

But, Gee! Since you asked, with hardly any prompting at all. I did. And I did. And then they did. Then I didn't. Then they said. So I said. Then after all was said, we said it all again.

I was only suspended for two days, actually. But by then I was &quot;out'a Dodge with a big white horse and half the cattle.&quot; Nice story, hunh?

Originally posted by StarValleyWy
ok. Rc. Remember... "Everybody likes a Little... Nobody likes a smart."

But, Gee! Since you asked, with hardly any prompting at all. I did. And I did. And then they did. Then I didn't. Then they said. So I said. Then after all was said, we said it all again.

I was only suspended for two days, actually. But by then I was "out'a Dodge with a big white horse and half the cattle." Nice story, hunh?

Indeed. I suppose you could ask me about the &quot;Sacred Heart/Thunderdome&quot; incident, but I'd have to respond in a PM 😳.