04 Aug 05
Originally posted by RagnorakCongrats to Nordlys!
And the winner is: Nordlys with a massive 99 points.
Rank Name Photographer Points
1 24. Music for the Eye: Nordlys 99
2 04. Wideangle: DdV 72
3 05. dolmen: DdV 62
4 17. Reaching Out: Nicolais 54
5 34. The After World: Evolutionary 52
6 06. organic: DdV 45
7 10. Shame about the Thumbprint: rhb 41
8 35. Lincoln Memorial: ictoan 35
9 15. Eternity ...[text shortened]... Touting for Business: rhb 0
35 29. Baker Library: kyngj 0
Comments/critique/feedback?
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04 Aug 05
Originally posted by rhbI had to look up "Grand Slam"... Well, why not? 😉 Actually I had absolutely no plans to win this round, though... I am quite surprised that this picture did so well. I had hoped DdV would win, I really liked his pictures in this round, especially "dolmen".
Big well done to Nordlys - are you going for the Grand Slam?
It was a lot of fun to take pictures of the Sibelius monument in Helsinki. I might put some other pictures online, so that you can see the whole structure.
04 Aug 05
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Originally posted by RagnorakPower was very obvious and deliberate.. but the only change was to infrared. Ice fingers was undoctored but taken through blue glass.
I think you'd have been slagged more if you hadn't declared it.
People should still declare any work they have done to the pic, that amounts to more than a simple cropping. In the last round, Stone Henge's caption was "just messe ...[text shortened]... Natural Wonders, that looks (to me) edited is Ice Fingers.
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Use of Photo manipulation can turn an ordinary pic into a masterpiece and viewers not familiar with the effects available wouldn't spot it.
People should declare it themselves but they don't. I've used it a lot and it isn't hard to spot vignettes, burning and dodging these add a lot of dark drama in a circle around the main subject.
This effect can otherwise be achieved by getting up really early with cam and tripod and dark vignette filter. These have popped up quite a bit and would love to know how the effect had been achieved manually. If they were PS'd that's great by me but say so.
When you have one item in colour the rest black and white that is achieved by masking the coloured item and BW'ing or choming the rest of the photo. We've seen that too but no one mentioned it.
Photo Shop, Corel etc are used and accepted by camera clubs and photographers magazines.
If we include cam & settings in the comments we can all understand, learn from and applaud those who achieve these effects. I also applaud simple point and shoot shots that are well framed subjects in good light with good contrasts.
This round was very enjoyable.. Well done Nordyls.
04 Aug 05
Originally posted by Tirau DanOriginally posted by Tirau Dan
I've used it a lot and it isn't hard to spot vignettes, burning and dodging these add a lot of dark drama in a circle around the main subject.
When you have one item in colour the rest black and white that is achieved by masking the coloured item and BW'ing or choming the rest of the photo. We've seen that too but no one mentioned it.
Phot ...[text shortened]... ubjects in good light with good contrasts.
This round was very enjoyable.. Well done Nordyls.
I've used it a lot and it isn't hard to spot vignettes, burning and dodging these add a lot of dark drama in a circle around the main subject.
I'd like to see some examples of this, if you have them.
When you have one item in colour the rest black and white that is achieved by masking the coloured item and BW'ing or choming the rest of the photo. We've seen that too but no one mentioned it.
Have we? Which pic?
I'm a bit worried about having the camera and settings listed. I can see why it would add to the competition, but I'm afraid that people might start getting paranoid about the voting, if the anonymity factor was removed. I know that Nordlys' and DdV's photos are quite identifiable, but I feel that its better to keep as much anonymity as possible. What are the thoughts of others on this?
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04 Aug 05
Originally posted by essjaynzWelcome in sweetheart..
Well Tirau Dan finally got me on here - dont know how much chess I will play but I look forward to meeting you all. If i'm not on here I can be found at www.funtrivia.com or www.flickr.com.
Just so you know: Essjay is my wife. We are fiercely competitive in our shared hobby of photography and don't blow smoke where he sun don't shine etc. She is here independently cos I was having all the fun.
I think it's really cool to have her here as a member of RHP Photo Club.
Cheers
Dan
04 Aug 05
Originally posted by RagnorakDolmen for one
Originally posted by Tirau Dan
[b]I've used it a lot and it isn't hard to spot vignettes, burning and dodging these add a lot of dark drama in a circle around the main subject.
I'd like to see some examples of this, if you have them.
When you have one item in colour the rest black and white that is achieved by masking the coloured ...[text shortened]... better to keep as much anonymity as possible. What are the thoughts of others on this?
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Leaf on a Rock ... but it's gone so I couldn't go back and have a check wasn't the leaf red and the rest BW???
If these were manually achieved without photoshop or similar I'd love to talk about how the effect were achieved..
Settings comment... would remove the doubt and let a judgemental prick like me enjoy the photos instead of guessing how they were achieved. I like to learn from them.
The anonymity to me doesn't matter.
04 Aug 05
I thought Leaf on a Rock may have been altered in some way, but it was still a great picture so it got my vote that round.
It is clear with the same folk up there each time (give or take a couple of lucky losers) that the ability to take an outstanding photo lies with those who are seriously committed to it.
If it goes the way of rules to control what can and cannot be done, you might aswell issue us each with a box brownie and the same type of film, and see what we can produce from the same subject on a given day in the same location. Remember this is just for fun, so lets appreciate others talents be it with a Camera, or with a Camera and a little Dodge 'n Burn on Photoshop! 🙂
Kinda related, I can no longer be bothered to look properly at media pictures (magazine/newspaper shots) as it is likely these have been enhanced in some way to add to ths story. Some of what we see in these publications is not a reflection of reality anymore 😕
04 Aug 05
Originally posted by Tirau DanI can't find any colour in Dolmen, and DdV only takes pics in B&W AFAIK.
Dolmen for one
Leaf on a Rock ... but it's gone so I couldn't go back and have a check wasn't the leaf red and the rest BW???
If these were manually achieved without photoshop or similar I'd love to talk about how the effect were achieved..
Settings comment... would remove the doubt and let a judgemental prick like me enjoy the photos instead of ...[text shortened]... g how they were achieved. I like to learn from them.
The anonymity to me doesn't matter.
To my untrained eye, Leaf on Rock looks like a natural shot taken using a long exposure (8 secs). If you look at the other leaves, they are in natural colours. I thought that pic was so good because of the contrast between the red autumn maple leaf and the mellow blue of the rest of the early morning/late evening pic.
http://kailey.biz/Photos/006.jpg
Of course, DdV and the Plumber would have to verify that.
The anonymity matters for the same reason that we stopped commenting while the voting was open. People could perceive comments/votes as being personal.
As rhb says, lets not get too heavy with this comp. I would still hugely prefer it if any photoshop work done/effects were declared. If you want to know how a particular effect was achieved, then we can ask the photographers after the end of the round, when feedback/discussion is invited.
As for feedback, I thought DdV's pics were stand out. I really enyoed looking at them, especially trying to figure out symmetry in organic. Nordlys' as well really drew my attention for a long time.
I took Man and Nature Collide. I had a lot of difficulty in cropping this shot. I had decided that this crop was best... http://community.webshots.com/photo/413517809/413520342DjZynN
And then my gf convinced me that the one I finally submitted was better. What do you think?
Also, on a related note, I watched Baraka (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103767/) last week and was absolutely blown away. I'd recommend it to anybody interested in photography (and everybody else as well 😉 ) It really is Photography in Motion, if you know what I mean. 😛 Anybody else see it/rate it?
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04 Aug 05
Originally posted by RagnorakIf you are worried about having the camera listed, we could have just the settings. When I share my aurora pictures with other aurora enthusiasts, I usually list the exposure time, aperture and focal length. Sometimes I mention the brand of the lens. I almost never mention what camera I use because it doesn't have much relevance.
I'm a bit worried about having the camera and settings listed. I can see why it would add to the competition, but I'm afraid that people might start getting paranoid about the voting, if the anonymity factor was removed. I know that Nordlys' and DdV's photos are quite identifiable, but I feel that its better to keep as much anonymity as possible. What are the thoughts of others on this?
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One problem is that you need to know what settings you used to be able to list them, though... I usually do for my aurora pictures (although I am not always certain about the exact exposure times), but for other pictures I often don't. Sometimes I don't even remember which camera I used.
As for my pictures being identifiable, I wonder whether people were able to identify my pictures from Helsinki? My pictures for the next round will be really easy again, of course... After some rounds, I start to get some feeling for the style of some of the photographers, although I found it difficult to identify the photographers in this round, probably because the subject was so different from those we had before (DdV was easy, of course, and I also correctly identified one of Ragnorak's pictures).