Originally posted by CFCYou are right Zak...
This is not just a date in a year.
It's much more important.:'(
Sept. 11 will be forever known as the start of the second "hundred years war". The War On Terror will be long and bitter. I predict that it will involve half the population of earth before it is ended. One way or the other. It will not be resolved until one side or the other triumphs completely. On one side is the "wahabeist's" sect of Islam in alliance with the secular western world haters. These have openly declared war against the idea of "freedom". It is basically that simple. A lot of wars and conflicts are difficult to figure out. This one is as dirt simple as World War II. Nothing short of "Complete And Absolute Victory" will end it. The days of negotiation never were. The western world never even knew about the hatred that the enemy held for us until 1988. Then we passed it off as "not important". Big mistake... as Sept. 11 proved to all of us.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyHatred and prejudice are bad. It is indeed as simple as that.
You are right Zak...
Sept. 11 will be forever known as the start of the second "hundred years war". The War On Terror will be long and bitter. I predict that it will involve half the population of earth before it is ended. One way or the other. It will not be resolved until one side or the other triumphs completely. On one side is the "wahabeist' ...[text shortened]... 988. Then we passed it off as "not important". Big mistake... as Sept. 11 proved to all of us.
Originally posted by StarValleyWyI agree with you, this "war" will get up close and personql for all of us. But is it really as simple as you suggest?
You are right Zak...
Sept. 11 will be forever known as the start of the second "hundred years war". The War On Terror will be long and bitter. I predict that it will involve half the population of earth before it is ended. One way or the other. It will not be resolved until one side or the other triumphs completely. On one side is the "wahabeist' ...[text shortened]... 988. Then we passed it off as "not important". Big mistake... as Sept. 11 proved to all of us.
For a start, you start by saying that this is a war on terror, but then saw that the "west" is one side and "wahwbeist´s3 and "western.. haters" are the entirity of the "terror" side. Do the rest of theworlds terrorists not count, those in Spain, Ireland, Japan... who are neither west haters or Islamic?
And I don´t think you can compare this to WW2. There is was clearly defined countries fighting each other - the allies declared war on Germany, Japan, Italy etc. Here the target is "terror" and "terrrorism". there aren´t any borders, there aren´t any uniforms, there isn´t any "head" that can be cut off to kill the beast. You cannot kill a concept by war - WW2 didn´t kill of fashism, it´s still rampant today. And "terror" is an even broader, less well defined, and impossable to kill enemy.
Overrated? It was a tragedy but what really irks me is the media's portrayal of what happened. I am not going to deny it nor am I going to second guess anybodies responsibility. I will however state that it was (and always will be) a MAJOR FAILURE. Not 30% of the people in and underneath the WTC were killed. I don't have the figures with me (they are on the net somewhere) but that is a rotten average (unless your playing baseball). Now please keep in mind that islam counts this as a "victory" against the great satan especially since they did not plan to collapse the WTC but to just "wound" it. It was awful that it happened but NYC has pulled itself together very well and I am not advocating forgeting it but I will say people should stop putting it on a pedastal as this millenium's holocaust. it was a rotten and dismal attempt by a militant sect of Islam that was only 30% successful. (Yes I originally am from NYC)
Amici Sumus
Feivel the HardcoreFreethinker
Originally posted by tomferg1“True wisdom from a 14 year old half way across the world.”
September 11th is overrated, two towers were destroyed, so what, it's old news. the americans had it coming ever since the gulf war.
How would you feel if 4,000 people were killed in Perth? Innocent people in danger, and your firemen and police rush into save them and they end up dead also? Your cousins, your uncles, your sisters and aunts...................
Your statement is foolish, and offensive. I'd have more to say, but why bother?
P-
A danish standup comedian came with a different twist to the whole story:
If it hadn't been for sep. 11 Afghanistan wouldn't have been rid of the taleban and Saddam would still be the leader of Iraq...
This is a very harsh way of putting it but I can see some thruth in it...
This does not mean that I find terrorism ok in any way.
Mr Orange
Before people see me as heartless, i do feel that what happened on sept 11 was terrible, many innocent lives were lost, and that should never happen.
But. I do feel that this whole deal has gone on long enough now. With every possibility, the entire world is remembered of that day again Yes we know it happened, now let it rest. There is nothing you can do about that day, so don't worry about it What counts is the present and the future If we keep looking back at the past we never get any further then hate, sorrow, and regrets.
And yes, i would feel exactly the same if they had chosen a place here as target.
For relatives of the ones that died, it's a different story They cannot put themself over it that easily, and i don't expect they will any time soon. For those this post isn't meant.
I can't help but think that the american government is using 9-11 as propagation for war. Where was the war on terrorism before 9-11? Why did something have to happen to America first? Wasn't it a good enough before, when countless other attacks were made?
And, yes, it was obvious that something like it was to happen sometime. Amerika isn't invincible. It wasn't smart to think so.
Ok, enough rambling. I take no responsibility for typo's and missing dots.
Originally posted by belgianfreakI'm not going to pretend that I am some sort of expert concerning "This War on Terror", but I think it is important to remember that Sadom blatantly broke 21 UN resolutions. What good is the UN to anyone when they make policy and set rules, and then don't and won't or are not able to enforce them? Immediate action had to be taken because Sadom is a threat to many countries. It is now proven that he is responsible for killing 45,000 of his own people as well as financing terrorism in many other countries.
For a start, you start by saying that this is a war on terror, but then saw that the "west" is one side and "wahwbeist´s3 and "western.. haters" are the entirity of the "terror" side. Do the rest of theworlds terrorists not count, those in Spain, Ireland, Japan... who are neither west haters or Islamic?
Don't get me wrong, I am not for war! But I'm not for anyone who is a danger to other people. It just makes me very sad, that in any war or conflict, that innocent people die. :'(
Originally posted by tomferg1Tomferg1...I suppose Bali, Indonesia was overrated, too?...just a couple hundred Aussies dead, so what?...did you blokes have it coming too?...you're an @$$!!!
September 11th is overrated, two towers were destroyed, so what, it's old news. the americans had it coming ever since the gulf war.
Originally posted by tomferg1this is a stupid remark.
September 11th is overrated, two towers were destroyed, so what, it's old news. the americans had it coming ever since the gulf war.
1. the US and its allies fought the first gulf war with the full endorsement of the UN after Saddam Hussein's Iraq invaded Kuwait without provocation.
2. It seems to me that, by your deficient logic, the former USSR would 'have it coming' for the invasion of Afghanistan around 1980. Where is the attack on Moscow? (Yes, there have been attacks over Chechnya, but i don't know of any the perpetrators claimed were payback for the Afgh invasion. Al-Qaeda and its crony organisations hate the west because it is affluent and liberal; it is a hatred born of envy)
3. Yes the two towers were destroyed, along with 3000-odd innocent lives. not to mention the lives of the grieving relatives, and people living in fear of further attacks. how can that possibly be over-rated?
4. September 11 and October 12 (the Bali bombings) show that the US and Australia are natural allies in the war on terror, as we were in several other conflicts. the only one i have qualms about is Vietnam, but that's one for another thread. we have, roughly speaking, the same set of values, those despised by the perpetrators of these atrocities: democracy, freedom, the rule of law.
if you can't say something even remotely intelligent, do yourself a favour and keep silent - then people will only suspect you are stupid.