So, it turns out that the Florida Shooter was Gay

Originally posted by divegeester
Have you met FreakyKBH? He's an Internet tough guy too.

Sir,
Here are the keyword words "use to box" that is past tense. I've never considered myself an Internet tough guy, but never backed down in a debate as you well know.
Kindest Regards,
-VR

Originally posted by Very Rusty
A little info I found that dates back to 2011. Now 5 plus years later these stats would be different. How many weren't quite truthful with the survey is also an unknown factor.

By Gary J. Gates
April 2011
Drawing on information from four recent national and two state-level population-based surveys, the analyses suggest that there are more than 8 mill ...[text shortened]... w-many-people-are-lesbian-gay-bisexual-and-transgender/#sthash.W8R0pJsr.dpuf
Kind Regards,
-VR

Wow! That's a lot of disturbed people. I'm not surprised. Are you perhaps suggesting that that legitimizes homosexuality?

Originally posted by Very Rusty
Sir,
Here are the keyword words "use to box" that is past tense. I've never considered myself an Internet tough guy, but never backed down in a debate as you well know.
Kindest Regards,
-VR

But notably you have been known to enjoy discussing your physical prowess and duffing-up abilities here at RHP, as has FreakyKBH. The two of you should meet up for fisticuffs challenge. How exciting that would be...**claps hands**

Originally posted by divegeester
But notably you have been known to enjoy discussing your physical prowess and duffing-up abilities here at RHP, as has FreakyKBH. The two of you should meet up for fisticuffs challenge. How exciting that would be...**claps hands**

I see you haven't changed a great deal and like to stir the pot. I'll pass thank you. It would be a pleasure to meet you in person though to see what you are really like!
Kind Regards,
-VR

Originally posted by josephw
Wow! That's a lot of disturbed people. I'm not surprised. Are you perhaps suggesting that that legitimizes homosexuality?

I am not saying these people are disturbed or that it legitimizes homosexuality. I don't think it is a choice. I think it is just the way they are. If you had a choice I don't think it would be, to be Homosexual or Lesbian. I also see absolutely nothing wrong with it. Get with the times my friend. What does it mattter to you? I don't understand.
Kindest Regards,
-VR

Originally posted by divegeester
Have you met FreakyKBH? He's an Internet tough guy too.

Don't push your luck, needle-dick.
You don't want any part of this.

Originally posted by Very Rusty
I am not saying these people are disturbed or that it legitimizes homosexuality. I don't think it is a choice. I think it is just the way they are. If you had a choice I don't think it would be, to be Homosexual or Lesbian. I also see absolutely nothing wrong with it. Get with the times my friend. What does it mattter to you? I don't understand.
Kindest Regards,
-VR

I wish you did understand.

I respect your opinion or belief. I disagree with it, which is why, and is the purpose of these forums, I debate the issue.

You say I should get with the times. To my way of thinking that is a revealing statement. It means you think that morality is relative to times and places.

Now I don't mean to be caustic or vitriolic or even condemning of homosexuals, as some seem to think I am, but this is, as you well know a forum for debate, and I am merely trying to express how and why I believe as I do without referencing specific individuals in voicing my thoughts concerning homosexual behavior.

That you "...see absolutely nothing wrong with it" causes me to wonder whether or not you can see what's really going on in the homosexual community and the effect it is having on the lives of those caught up in it. You seem to be cognizant of certain statistics, but have you researched the health risks and other statistics related to homosexual behavior? Have you considered that just maybe it isn't homophobic right wing conservative God fearing Christians that's the homosexuals enemy? The facts are they are doing much more harm to themselves. The medis isn't showing you that. Is it too much to imagine that in today's world there just might be an agenda afoot?

Maybe it is you and others that express acceptance of the homosexual cause that are caught up by the times as apposed to me being behind the times. Just a thought.

What does it matter to me? It matters much. Do you really not understand?

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Don't push your luck, needle-dick.
You don't want any part of this.

Lordy Freaky! You're even beginning to scare me! 😉

Why are some of these guys so easily provoked? Red blooded Americans seem to have fallen by the wayside. You know, I thought the English were tougher than that too. Why do grown men whine so much?

Originally posted by josephw
I wish you did understand.

I respect your opinion or belief. I disagree with it, which is why, and is the purpose of these forums, I debate the issue.

You say I should get with the times. To my way of thinking that is a revealing statement. It means you think that morality is relative to times and places.

Now I don't mean to be caustic or vitrioli ...[text shortened]... es. Just a thought.

What does it matter to me? It matters much. Do you really not understand?

I heard about the mass killing in Orlando what was the count 49 or 50 because a young man didn't like to see two men kissing. His own father said that he believed that was the reason his son went on the killing spree.

What I believe is that a homosexual or lesbian doesn't just wake up one day and decide this is what I want to be. I believe that is what they are and really have no choice in the matter. Like yours may be that you want to be with a women. Then we can get into a whole different debate on bi-sexuals who are attracted to both male and female.

We do not know what it is like unless we of course have walked in those shoes. I have women friends who are lesbians, male friends who are homosexual. To be quite honest with you I find them to be far more honest and straight forward then a lot of my so called hetrosexual friends. Some I do believe are in the closet, and I certainly don't blame them.

Lets remember for those who do believe in God. He is suppose to be all forgiving. Does this not include the homosexuals, lesbians, bi-sexuals, transgender people? I believe a lot of the bible was actually written by man, as time went on it was altered to go with the times. Not that long ago same sex marriages would have been unheard of. This is a debate which really has no end.

Kindest Regards,
Respectfully,
-VR

Originally posted by Very Rusty
I heard about the mass killing in Orlando what was the count 49 or 50 because a young man didn't like to see two men kissing. His own father said that he believed that was the reason his son went on the killing spree.

What I believe is that a homosexual or lesbian doesn't just wake up one day and decide this is what I want to be. I believe that is what ...[text shortened]... en unheard of. This is a debate which really has no end.

Kindest Regards,
Respectfully,
-VR

"This is a debate which really has no end."

I agree with that sentiment in the sense that you mean it, but all things have an end in the sense that this life is temporal.

It is my firm conviction that the day will come when we will all give an account for the life we lived. Every thought, word and deed. We will be measured against God's righteous standard. That's why I care.

Basically I think that's the bottom line. We all know the ins and outs of the issues and debates. We go about or business and wait for the day that is sure to come.

Kindest Regards,
Respectfully,
-jw 🙂

Originally posted by josephw
[b]"This is a debate which really has no end."

I agree with that sentiment in the sense that you mean it, but all things have an end in the sense that this life is temporal.

It is my firm conviction that the day will come when we will all give an account for the life we lived. Every thought, word and deed. We will be measured against God's righteo ...[text shortened]... r business and wait for the day that is sure to come.

Kindest Regards,
Respectfully,
-jw 🙂[/b]

I have all my affairs in order, and am ready at anytime, though I hope that time isn't too close, but we never know.

I do believe we leave our body and go on to a different plateau if you will. Where that is I do not know. Mediums have their versions of what is to become of us and where we have been and how many times we've been here before, some claim to talk to spirits!

There are those who believe there is no Heaven, that we live our HELL here on Earth? I know we all go through bad times in our lives every single one of us. I don't know anyone who hasn't had hard times, but those times make us stronger. An old saying: What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, may have some truth to it after all.

I know one thing for sure, we will understand what it is all about when our time comes. I've had people who have passed come talk to me in dreams. I've almost walked out in front of a speeding car only to be pulled roughly from behind. When I turned to thank the person, there was no one there. Still sends chills up and down my spine.

We have spent a lot of time wondering why we are here, what was intended for us? We have way more questions, than there are answers for.

Like as an example you will meet someone one and for no apparent reason you "don't like" or "like" that person whom you have never met before. I know we have all experienced that. Or done something and know it has happened sometime before, but can't put a finger on it. In another life perhaps?

Kindest Regards,
Respectfully,
-VR

Originally posted by josephw
Is it your contention that by saying that homosexuals are disturbed that that constitutes condemnation?

No, it's my contention that by saying that homosexuals and those who support them "lack of moral convictions" and live lives that are "bereft of moral restraints" constitutes condemnation.

I am not particularly interested in whether or not you think they are "disturbed".

Indeed, what is the most interesting thing about your behaviour here is how you condemned homosexual;s as people vociferously and then proceeded to back peddle on it ever since.

Originally posted by josephw
If you do, then you are disturbed too. Does that mean I'm condemning you? I think you are confusing condemnation with making an observation of the truth about homosexuality. You don't know it, but you are befuddled, bewildered and full of yourself.

Well you've already called me "disturbed" which is neither here nor there. You said this: "Anyone that supports and promotes homosexuality is disturbed to one degree or another. It's in the mind. Minds are corrupted by the lack of moral convictions."

This personal condemnation ~ which is also neither here or there, of course, it ought to be said ~ which was delivered in the same post as your condemnation of homosexuals, is interesting because of the way you keep denying that you made it (not to mention how obvious and explicit it is, your denials are slightly comical) and you have been instead waving the word "disturbed" around as if that was the only thing you said.

Originally posted by josephw
Lordy Freaky! You're even beginning to scare me! 😉

Why are some of these guys so easily provoked? Red blooded Americans seem to have fallen by the wayside. You know, I thought the English were tougher than that too. Why do grown men whine so much?

Ha!

It's because a majority of men have considered it appropriate to swap their manhood for a vagina-replica.
They figure it's better to give up while alive than to give in when dead.
Effing pussies, the lot of them.

Originally posted by Very Rusty
It would be a pleasure to meet you in person though to see what you are really like!

Why? Would you like to punch me?