So, it turns out that the Florida Shooter was Gay

Originally posted by FreakyKBH

Some guys on here are finally being called out of the faggoty closets they've been bearding for so long, by others who def know a gayster when they smell one.
It seems more like a community service project than any "crises," in my opinion.

[...] It's because a majority of men have considered it appropriate to swap their manhood for a vagina-replica.
They figure it's better to give up while alive than to give in when dead.
Effing pussies, the lot of them.

I wonder if you have ever reflected on how much your ideas and demeanour might give comfort and a sense of vindication to the likes of Omar Mateen.

Originally posted by divegeester
Why? Would you like to punch me?

Hey sup rainbowgeester?

Originally posted by FMF
Well you've already called me "disturbed" which is neither here nor there. You said this: [b]"Anyone that supports and promotes homosexuality is disturbed to one degree or another. It's in the mind. Minds are corrupted by the lack of moral convictions."

This personal condemnation ~ which is also neither here or there, of course, it ought to be said ~ whi ...[text shortened]... you have been instead waving the word "disturbed" around as if that was the only thing you said.[/b]

You have it twisted bass ackwards. It is you that is in denial. The symptoms of your denial are classic. You're deflecting away from the intent of the statement I made by calling it a condemnation. By doing so you are avoiding the truth that homosexuality is wrong.

You're like the crying child that can't have his way and can't see the big picture. You pout and fuss over the inconvenience of the truth. And the truth is that homosexuals and their supporters are disturbed.

Originally posted by josephw
You have it twisted bass ackwards. It is you that is in denial. The symptoms of your denial are classic. You're deflecting away from the intent of the statement I made by calling it a condemnation. By doing so you are avoiding the truth that homosexuality is wrong.

You are mistaken. I am not "avoiding the truth that homosexuality is wrong". I simply don't think homosexuality is wrong in and of itself. I am not "avoiding" anything. I am being forthright and honest about my view.

So, josephw, if you say that a homosexual has a lack of moral convictions, they are bereft of moral restraints, and if such people had their sexual orientation criminalized it would be "just" and "protect the innocent", you are saying all this without condemning them at all. Is that what you would have me believe?

Originally posted by josephw
You're like the crying child that can't have his way and can't see the big picture. You pout and fuss over the inconvenience of the truth. And the truth is that homosexuals and their supporters are disturbed.

Is this view of yours ~ to any degree ~ based on what you have learned from friendships or working relationships with homosexuals? If not, from where have you got this 'diagnosis' (about being "disturbed"... by which I assume you mean some form of mental illness?]

Originally posted by FMF
[b]Some guys on here are finally being called out of the faggoty closets they've been bearding for so long, by others who def know a gayster when they smell one.
It seems more like a community service project than any "crises," in my opinion.

[...] It's because a majority of men have considered it appropriate to swap their manhood for a vagina-replica.
Th ...[text shortened]... r ideas and demeanour might give comfort and a sense of vindication to the likes of Omar Mateen.

Last I heard, he's supposed to be dead.
He's likely not, but if he plays his part well, we won't be hearing anything else from him.

Originally posted by divegeester
Why? Would you like to punch me?

Sir,
You seem to be the one promoting violence. How do you associate meeting you to see what you are really like in person to punching you?
Kindest Regards,
-VR

Originally posted by josephw
You have it twisted bass ackwards. It is you that is in denial. The symptoms of your denial are classic. You're deflecting away from the intent of the statement I made by calling it a condemnation. By doing so you are avoiding the truth that homosexuality is wrong.

You're like the crying child that can't have his way and can't see the big picture. You pou ...[text shortened]... nconvenience of the truth. And the truth is that homosexuals and their supporters are disturbed.

That is your own opinion sir. You don't think that you can force your opinion on others, that it will change their mind? Because in your opinion homosexuality is wrong doesn't make it so.
There was another fellow named Hitler thought he had all the answers, we all know how that ended.
Kindest Regards,
-VR

Originally posted by FMF
You are mistaken. I am not "avoiding the truth that homosexuality is wrong". I simply don't think homosexuality is wrong in and of itself. I am not "avoiding" anything. I am being forthright and honest about my view.

So far you've avoided the discussion about homosexuality being right or wrong. Now you're befuddling it by claiming to hold an innocuous belief that you don't think homosexuality is wrong in and of itself. Whatever that means. Not much to be forthright and honest about is it? Except that it gives you wiggle room.

Originally posted by josephw
So far you've avoided the discussion about homosexuality being right or wrong. Now you're befuddling it by claiming to hold an innocuous belief that you don't think homosexuality is wrong in and of itself. Whatever that means. Not much to be forthright and honest about is it? Except that it gives you wiggle room.

I don't think homosexuality is immoral. Aside from your belief/claim that you have received some kind of instructions from a supernatural being pertaining to homosexuals, you haven't offered any argument whatsoever as to why anyone should think homosexuality is immoral.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Last I heard, he's supposed to be dead.
He's likely not, but if he plays his part well, we won't be hearing anything else from him.

That's why I said "the likes of Omar Mateen". I wonder if you have ever reflected on how much your ideas and demeanour might give comfort and a sense of vindication to the likes of Omar Mateen.

Originally posted by FMF
So, josephw, if you say that a homosexual has a lack of moral convictions, they are bereft of moral restraints, and if such people had their sexual orientation criminalized it would be "just" and "protect the innocent", you are saying all this without condemning them at all. Is that what you would have me believe?

Well, FMF, I would have you to believe the truth, and how the truth transforms one's world view.

You take your cues from the only source you allow to be available to you, and that just so happens to be man's view from a world or earthly perspective.

There is another perspective, but it is one that is in direct conflict with the pervading world view held by those who deny its existence. Those who don't know it generally lose control and start labeling those of us who do as any manner of things. Want a list?

If God condemns what am I to do? Hide the light? God calls homosexuality abominable, a moral revulsion. Am I to call God a liar?

I am powerless to judge or condemn anyone in any real sense. Sorry if my point of view offends you to the extent that you should spend so much time and energy on accusing me of condemning persons it feel are in grave danger of not only ultimate judgement, but of ill health and peace of mind.

Originally posted by josephw
If God condemns what am I to do? Hide the light? God calls homosexuality abominable, a moral revulsion. Am I to call God a liar?

Surely you have some further argument to offer about the supposed immorality of homosexuality other than simply reciting something from your religious ideology that you have internalized?

Take theft for example. We can both agree that it is immoral as it damages its victim by unjustly denying them their property. You can add to that the fact that you also think there is a God who calls theft abominable. For the purposes of discussing theft with a non-believer you can put aside your religious perspective on theft, and yet still argue that it is immoral.

So why can't you - in a similar way - put forward an argument that homosexuality is immoral for reasons in addition to what your religious creed tells you?

Originally posted by josephw
There is another perspective, but it is one that is in direct conflict with the pervading world view held by those who deny its existence. Those who don't know it generally lose control and start labeling those of us who do as any manner of things. Want a list?

Do I want a list? Well, if you have a list of labels you claim I have applied to you on this thread because I have supposedly lost control, then, yes, it would be interesting to hear what that list is.

Originally posted by josephw
I am powerless to judge or condemn anyone in any real sense. Sorry if my point of view offends you to the extent that you should spend so much time and energy on accusing me of condemning persons it feel are in grave danger of not only ultimate judgement, but of ill health and peace of mind.

Your condemnations of homosexuals were on page 7. You later compared them to murderers. After that, you suggested that a law criminalizing homosexuality would be a just law that would protect innocent people. That is judging and condemning people in about as "real" a sense as one can on a message board.