18 Sep 03
Originally posted by ivanhoeAbsolutely this is about religion! (oh, and a bit of a problem with the UN)
Do you think this conflict is about religion ?
If so, please tell me what are the religious questions or issues at stake.
This has been a problem since the Egyptian's drove the Jews out of Egypt. It is a conflict that has gone on for thousands of years and has been handed down from generation to generation. Then, in the 50's, our wonderful UN thought it would be a great idea to take land away from the Palastinians and create Israel. Then, the surrounding Arabs thought it would be a good idea to try and kick them out (the Yom Kippur War and the 7 Day War). In the process, the Arabs got their butt kicked and have been resentful ever since. The Arabs want their land back (the Golan Heights being the most notable) in exchange for peace, but Israel believes that this land is key to their defense.
Then, Israel likes to build settlements in Palastinian territory. And finally, when you think that you might have a settlement, it comes down to the fact that all three religions, (Muslim, Judism, and Christianity) share the same holy sites in the same holy cities.
So, set aside thousands of years of hate and mistrust, divide up the holy sites, and give back their land, and you can have a settlement. It is just that easy...🙄
18 Sep 03
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Originally posted by willatkinsThe way I see it . It is primarely about land, territory.
Absolutely this is about religion! (oh, and a bit of a problem with the UN)
This has been a problem since the Egyptian's drove the Jews out of Egypt. It is a conflict that has gone on for thousands of years and has been handed down ...[text shortened]... ir land, and you can have a settlement. It is just that easy...🙄
The claims they have on the land on both sides may be "inspired" by religion in the sense that the claims they make are partly justified by religion.
Reaper made a post in this thread (15 sept. '03 19:18) of what the Bible says on this subject. This post was dismissed by a few people as being nonsense or rubbisch or whatever. But What Reaper was trying to say in my opinion was that a considerable number of people in Israel take these Bible quotes as "Roadmap" towards a "Greater Israel". As such they cannot be dismissed. On the contrary. If you want to understand the complicated situation in the region you'll have to accept them as political facts and you'll have to study them as such. I did not make any remarks about that, because I was busy trying to survive elsewhere. It was a pity that such an important contribution to the discussion was smothered in booing. The issue of Jerusalem together with the (im)possible return of the Palestinian refugees are the two problems that are the most difficult ones and they seem unsurmountable. The key mediator The United States are trying to implement the so called "Roadmap to peace". The "Roadmap to a Greater Israel " points in a very different direction. The only one who should be able to convince the settlers, the vanguard of the "Greater Israel Ideology", to change their course into the direction of the "Roadmap to Peace" is Mr. Sharon, dispised by the Political Centre and the Political Left in the West, but absolutely necessary to build a lasting peace in the Middle East. In this moment there isn't anyone inside Israel who is equipped with the same influence on the settlers and at the same time is capable to replace him as leader of the Political Right.
19 Sep 03
anybody remember when this war actually started? The war in the Middle East in general has been ongoing since what, Mesopotamia(har to speel.)?
If anything, our Brisbane paper has called the War on Terrorism the Hundred Years War 2. WTF?? We had one already, and now G.W.Bush has stirred up more, from an ongoing Millenia war.
19 Sep 03
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Originally posted by StarValleyWyRupert Murdoch is jewish.
Only Rupert Murdock and the Mormon church seem to be exceptions here. I can't think of any other "media" groups that are not. (Thanks for Rupe, by the way. Best damned import from Down Under we ever got.😵 )
In the UK we have him controlling the media, and Richard Desmond, owner of the Star, Express and a huge porn empire, is also jewish.
19 Sep 03
Originally posted by CFCYou seem to have ignored this from the first time it was posted, so I'll give you the opertunity to read it again and then reassess your quoted statement:
No way! It's not their fault if a palestinian blows up a pizza place when they're on the brink of peace.
Thread : Never forget...
12 Sep '03 18:38
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Originally posted by CFC
Never say that again! The Israelis do not want war. They want peace.
But when a Palestinian walks onto a bus and decides to blow it up the Israelis have no choice. The Israelis are also guarding Palestinian children guaranteeing their safety.
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My thought go out to all those who´s lives have been damaged by terrorism and it´s after effects. My thought´s are there every day.
You can say that the Palestinians force the Israel´s into fighting, but after the last suicide bomb the Israelies retaliated by bombing a "known" (?) terrorist leqders house. With a half tonne(!) bomb. In a residential area. And they missed him, killing instead his daughter just the day before her wedding. Ask yourself - if you were the fiancee of that girl would you now be in the mood to talk peace, or would you be next in line to strap on a few kilo´s of C4 and get on a bus? It matters not who started it, only who is truely interested in finishing it.
I'm not defending the bombers, but surely you can see that the Israelies aren't purely victims here?!
19 Sep 03
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What do you think the Israel government should do as long there isn't a peace settlement and therefore the suicide bombings will probably continue to take place ?
Thread : Never forget...
12 Sep '03 18:38
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20 Sep 03
Originally posted by willatkinsIt is not about religion.It is once more an example of so called Super powers drawing lines in the sand.When will they learn.
Absolutely this is about religion! (oh, and a bit of a problem with the UN)
This has been a problem since the Egyptian's drove the Jews out of Egypt. It is a conflict that has gone on for thousands of years and has been handed down from generation to generation. Then, in the 50's, our wonderful UN thought it would be a great idea to take land away ...[text shortened]... holy sites, and give back their land, and you can have a settlement. It is just that easy...🙄
Lyn.
21 Sep 03
My solution: "I, George W. Bush, do hereby bequeath to the nation of Israel the northern half of Nevada. Please move here as it looks as barren as Israel and you will have 50 times as much land with ne're a suicide bomber to be found anywhere. And by all means drive down to Vegas as it was first developed by a Jew. Shalom and God bless."
Br Kirk
21 Sep 03
Originally posted by kirksey957LOL. Well I'm prepared to donate a sizable chunk of South Australia to the peace effort, if that's any help. Perhaps we should start a "donate some desert" fund to solve this thing once and for all.
My solution: "I, George W. Bush, do hereby bequeath to the nation of Israel the northern half of Nevada. Please move here as it looks as barren as Israel and you will have 50 times as much land with ne're a suicide bomber to be found anywhere. And by all means drive down to Vegas as it was first developed by a Jew. Shalom and God bless."
Br Kirk