19 Nov 03
Originally posted by usmc7257Do nothing about what, exactly? You've made no complaint against human rights abuses in other nations, and it is quite clear that Hussein's government posed no threat to the security of any nation which participated in the action. What needed to be done that the US and allies would have been justified in doing?
but how can you leave it to the un when they simply do nothing about it?
20 Nov 03
Originally posted by bbarrWere you not able to find anything by going to the link I provided? I just tried it again with no luck...must have expired. Anyway, I'm starting to think it was an unfounded speculation, especially since I haven't heard anything else about it on any news source. I apologize for sending you on a wild goose chase. Next time I post something as newsworthy as I thought that would be, I'll make sure it is backed up with facts...regards...🙁
Well, I checked the last 7 days of news on CNN, Fox and the Telegraph, and I found no stories reporting a link between Al-Queda and Saddam Hussein prior to the invasion. I wouldn't be surprised if Al-Queda and other terrorist organizations have move in to Iraq after the invasion succeeded in toppling Hussein's regime, but I didn't find any stories on that ...[text shortened]... the pre-invasion relationship between Al-Queda and Iraq. You further assistance is appreciated.
20 Nov 03
Originally posted by FrauHolleWhat do you mean you weren't serious in your last posts? I took your reply serious; thats why I responded. I know exactly what's going on in my country. Do you know what's going on in yours? You are more afraid of the U.S than Al-Qaeda? We don't want to control the world, but because of slack-ass countries like France and Germany and useless organizations such as the U.N., we have to police it...along with the help of your country. Does the U.S. want to you to practice Islam?...does the U.S. want to deny you your religion of choice?...does the U.S. want your sister/daughter/Mother to remain uneducated and forbidden to drive?...well, the Taliban and Muslim extremists do...and you're afraid of America?....still laughable..🙄..😲
I feel sad reading so many posts from american people showing us "rest of the world" that they really have no idea what is going on in their country.
My earlier posts in this thread were not serious because i couldnt imagine that you guys were serious too, when you were saying that war in Iraq was what we all needed to stop terrorism etc etc.
But now i ...[text shortened]... o a lot of damage in the world, and you guys show me that this is exactly what is gonna happen
20 Nov 03
Originally posted by chancremechanicAll in favour of UN Mandates - the one you refer to is the one calling for disarment and no more chemical weopons. I think the UN did a good job, containing Saddam and perventing WMD.
[b]. The U.N. must find a pair of gonads and attach them fast, because if they had had a pair, they would have dealt with Hussein in the early 90s when he started violating plenty of U.N. mandates
Now let us talk about UN resolution 242 calling for Isreal's withdrawal from occuped terriories - if it is good enough to invade one Mideasteren country for ignoring UN madates, why not put sanctions on Israel? How about their nuclear programme - or are there good and bad weapons of mass destruction?
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20 Nov 03
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Originally posted by usmc7257They were doing something, they were trying to find any WMD or proof of their existence before committing to an invasion. True, they were not having much luck finding any, but then neither are the US/UK forces now.
but how can you leave it to the un when they simply do nothing about it?
The point of the UN is that it deals with competing claims. The Bush administration may argue that Iraq in its current form is a threat and should be stopped. The UN will say fine, whats your evidence, if we agree its is as serious as you say than we will do something about it. In this case the UN did not think the evidence was either there full stop or that they needed to build a more solid case.
In terms of national security, I personally think Iraq is about as dangerous as Cuba to the US. I agree with Royal Chicken, America does not need an Iraq policy - it has more important issues to worry about. But, that is just my opinion, I am sure if there is/was a case for invading Iraq a country with the resourses of America can find the evidence and present it, and use its political power to get its own way. The fact that the US could not convince the UN of the need to war given all this is more telling than the UN's refusal to react on American terms.
Quite clearly, in the last 20 years the UN has shown it does do "something", it was the UN in Somalia, it was the UN in the former Yugoslavia, and it was the UN in the first Gulf War.
It has been shown that a lot of what the UN was asking for was not thought out in the US war stratergy - mainly, whats your exit strategy, what if it goes wrong, how are you going to run the country. If we are honest, we all know in the end the US would have got its way and the UN would have backed down and sanctioned the action. Had George W waited the US would not have to worry about "policing" Bagdad as a UN force would be doing it.
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20 Nov 03
Originally posted by steerpikeI don't have a problem reining Israel in. I think $3,000,000,000 of my tax dollars is too much to spend on a country that I don't fully support. I am in favor of a Palastinian homeland; what's fair is fair. I think that 3 billion could be spent in destitute Appalacia or inner cities across America. Let Europe support Israel for the next 55 years...or maybe Australia 😉
All in favour of UN Mandates - the one you refer to is the one calling for disarment and no more chemical weopons. I think the UN did a good job, containing Saddam and perventing WMD.
Now let us talk about UN resolution 242 calling for Isreal's withdrawal from occuped terriories - if it is good enough to invade one Mideasteren country for ignoring UN m ...[text shortened]... rael? How about their nuclear programme - or are there good and bad weapons of mass destruction?
21 Nov 03
iraq was fine before we went in there and took out the infrasturcture. and granted the UN is passive, but reconstruction is what they do best, they're there to clean up after a war that should never have started.
on the matter of american ignorance, i for one can say that i have no fu(king clue what is happening anywere in the world. i wish i did, but it just isn't worth the effort on my part to go out and find out.
22 Nov 03
Originally posted by fearlessleaderHell of a lot easier to just bomb the latest incarnation of evil, isn't it?
on the matter of american ignorance, i for one can say that i have no fu(king clue what is happening anywere in the world. i wish i did, but it just isn't worth the effort on my part to go out and find out.
So you let George Dumbo Bush do your thinking for you?