29 Aug 05
Originally posted by abaloneThe guy that reffed for saturdays game was a rookie, he cannot blow and never will, I wonder from what country he is, cause maybe all of the people living there has some bad eyes!
What gets me riled is one-eyed commentating
springbok is 5cm offside and .... "X is a mile offside - the ref is blind" and then AB's fling a pass a meter forward and nobody says boo.
Happens in SA too ...
Damn!
30 Aug 05
Originally posted by abaloneThe ref was French with a great rep in the six nations (even the poms love him) He had no particular pressure on him to perform and certainly no death threats or bribes. So can't you take your eye patch off.
What gets me riled is one-eyed commentating
springbok is 5cm offside and .... "X is a mile offside - the ref is blind" and then AB's fling a pass a meter forward and nobody says boo.
Happens in SA too ...
From memory the penalty count favoured SA. The only tries you scored were handed to you on a plate by bad AB passing. SA lost because their forwards on the day were out muscled in set plays and that shocked us all.
30 Aug 05
Originally posted by Tirau DanYeah, well, the ref blowed up some very strange penalties. Even a biased supporter like me could see he was at times harsh on the ABs.
From memory the penalty count favoured SA. The only tries you scored were handed to you on a plate by bad AB passing. SA lost because their forwards on the day were out muscled in set plays and that shocked us all.
I wouldn't say we were out muscled, but our forwards definately did not have the upper hand as in the previous 4 weeks.
About the tries though...
It pisses me off how everyone (including the media) is going on about the boks not being able to score contructive tries. What a load of crap.
Nowadays opposing teams in international rugby have great defensive systems and no team runs in beautifully worked tries all the time.
The boks scored 3 scavanging tries, as did the all blacks. The AB forwards got through for 1 try which can't really considered 'constructive' and this won the game.
I was impressed by MacDonald's kicking though. I thought the AB were going to struggle in that department...
31 Aug 05
Originally posted by CrowleyYou are saying the boks tries were scavenged. That is they were scavenged off abs mistakes close to their own line as opposed to constructed. On a normal day you would never see jerry collins toss the ball in the air 10m out from his own line to give away an easy try. The boks have come a long way but have a long way to go. They dominated the loose play once again but failed miserably to turn the turnover ball into points. I honestly though the boks could have spun the ball to their brilliant outside backs a bit more
Yeah, well, the ref blowed up some very strange penalties. Even a biased supporter like me could see he was at times harsh on the ABs.
I wouldn't say we were out muscled, but our forwards definately did not have the upper hand as in the previous 4 weeks.
About the tries though...
It pisses me off how everyone (including the media) is going on about ...[text shortened]... ed by MacDonald's kicking though. I thought the AB were going to struggle in that department...
As for the the up front battle the bok scrum was pushed all over the park in the last twenty.. Ali Williams and co were dominatant his fitness has surprised me.
The abs are still hopeless at the line outs and the breakdown but are doing well at scrums time and going forward. They are creating gaps out of nothing but are still making mistakes costing us ball and tries... They have got to keep things together... I see them going up a notch against the aussies.. (Hope so anyway)
31 Aug 05
Originally posted by Tirau DanWe made a selection mistake.
You are saying the boks tries were scavenged. That is they were scavenged off abs mistakes close to their own line as opposed to constructed. On a normal day you would never see jerry collins toss the ball in the air 10m out from his own line to give away an easy try. The boks have come a long way but have a long way to go. They dominated the loose play ...[text shortened]... ot to keep things together... I see them going up a notch against the aussies.. (Hope so anyway)
De Wet Barry was chosen to play in the midfield again. If De Villiers was not moved to wing again, you would have seen a much more attacking backline and much more ball go out wide. It was a big mistake in my mind and cost us a game we could have won easily.
Yup, we scored scavanging tries. The ABs had pressure on them - they made mistakes - we scored.
The same goes for the ABs - we were under pressure from up-and-unders, made mistakes and you scored.
31 Aug 05
Gotta love those hard close games though🙂 I've hated the last 10yrs of the watching the all blacks run round like headless chickens looking for their so called individual brilliance to find gaps.. a poor legacy of the 1995 finally I think their is a glimmer of hope. We've learned the basics from the English... that a good solid forward pack and ball retention is essential to the winning of the game. Chucking it around may look good but it hasn't bring home the world cup.
Good luck with the progress..
31 Aug 05
Originally posted by Tirau DanThat's actually a good point, but in my mind finding the balance is key.
We've learned the basics from the English... that a good solid forward pack and ball retention is essential to the winning of the game.
We tried chucking in a heavy pack - what was it 920 kgs? - but that didn't work because the heavier forwards could help with cross-defence and struggled in the lineouts as well.
You need a balanced forward pack.
Scrumming is important, but not the deciding factor. You need big guys in the tight five, but they should be able to carry the ball as well. The locks need to be tall and able to jump on opponent ball in the lineouts as well.
There needs to be at least one loose forward that can jump in the lineout and they need to be quick - they have to defend well and at least one of them needs to be a 'line 'breaker' - big, strong and fast.
One of the loosies needs to be able to fetch well. At every breakdown he needs to be one of the first to arrive and he should contest for the ball.
31 Aug 05
Originally posted by CrowleyI tend to agree with you here - I didn't have a problem with the ref who was pretty even-handed. The backline selection wasn't right and I think De Wet Barry no longer is the right man for the job. He doesn't pass and when you've got such good wingers with good ball, this is criminal.
We made a selection mistake.
De Wet Barry was chosen to play in the midfield again. If De Villiers was not moved to wing again, you would have seen a much more attacking backline and much more ball go out wide. It was a big mistake in my mind and cost us a game we could have won easily.
Yup, we scored scavanging tries. The ABs had pressure on them - the ...[text shortened]... same goes for the ABs - we were under pressure from up-and-unders, made mistakes and you scored.
We were seriously outmuscled in the final ten minutes with that driving maul BTW. I'd just opened a celebratory beer, because I thought we had the game in the bag.
03 Sep 05
I'm just home from a mates place who has Sky.. My smile is wide and it has been a good evening. ... my lips got very close to an Australian tonight.. lovely five year old red shiraz went down well. While sitting on the sofa watch the All Blacks win The Tri-Nations Cup and The Bledisloe Cup. Tana Umaga didn't say a lot but his smile was broad enough to use as a Cook Straight Bridge.
Messy game I thought with too much kicking and too many mistakes but the All Blacks did deserve it. 34 - 24 victory.. The silver cabinet will look great for another year.
03 Sep 05
Originally posted by Tirau DanMy hopes rose briefly when Aus pulled back to within a point, but in reality they were never in it. The ABs had a weak second half for some reason after totalling dominating in the first but were still too strong when it counted. Not a great match, though, after some of the humdingers we've seen in this series. Aus desperately need a stronger tight five.
I'm just home from a mates place who has Sky.. My smile is wide and it has been a good evening. ... my lips got very close to an Australian tonight.. lovely five year old red shiraz went down well. While sitting on the sofa watch the All Blacks win The Tri-Nations Cup and The Bledisloe Cup. Tana Umaga didn't say a lot but his smile was broad enough to ...[text shortened]... Blacks did deserve it. 34 - 24 victory.. The silver cabinet will look great for another year.
Well done the ABs! And what an annus horribilis for Aus rugby who've now lost five in a row.