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Is Bush in trouble ? No WMD and a 'missing year' in his (hardly heroic) military service. And a war hero (Kelly) as an opponent. What's the feeling over there?

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45% hate bush.
45% like bush
10% swing voters.

Nothing the spin doctors on either side say will sway the 90% who have already decided.

The problem with Kerry is he is as far left as you get, a Northeastern Liberal who's only platform is Bush Sucks. It will depend on how well the economy continues to recover, and how smooth the transition of power goes in a free Iraq.

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I'm beginning to think that Kerry is an absolute genius. The guy, while he was decorated in war, was very anti-war to the point of cavorting with Jane Fonda and the like. Now he's surrounded by veterans who "claim" him as their hero. He's married into family fortunes not once, but twice (must be his looks) and yet he is accepted as a populace candidate who understands the common man. I hope this doesn't sound sexist, but I see women just going ga ga for this guy.

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I would like to see Kerry win, but Bush has a too much money and conservatives are much more consistent voters. I am not a democrat, I just can't stand Bush. After the the real race begins and Bush's millions come into play, the polls are going to swing.

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Originally posted by gregoftheweb
The problem with Kerry is he is as far left as you get, a Northeastern Liberal who's only platform is Bush Sucks.
Read the following plicy statements, if you want a quick refutation of this claim. It is neither the case that John Kerry is far left, nor is it the case that he hasn't a substantive platform. Gregoftheweb is simply ignorant on this point.

On Health Care:

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/kerry_health_plan.pdf

On Creating Jobs:

www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2003_0828.html

More detailed policy statements can be found at www.johnkerry.com.

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Originally posted by ianpickering
Is Bush in trouble ? No WMD and a 'missing year' in his (hardly heroic) military service. And a war hero (Kelly) as an opponent. What's the feeling over there?
What about Tony Blair? I believe your country thought Saddam Hussein had the WMD's also. As for Bush's military record he spent more days in uniform than Clinton ever spent wearing one. While Pres. Bush has upset me on occasion. I also give him credit where credit is due. What do you think Iraq was better off with Saddam in power? I know most Europeans leaders can't stand Bush because he doesn't kiss up to them like some of the previous presidents. When Osama's boys fly a plane into Buckingham Palace or the Eifel Tower (and I hope they never do) then maybe you will understand. As for Kerry, I respect his service to the country but, I don't agree with most of his political ideas.🙂

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Originally posted by slimjim
As for Kerry, I respect his service to the country but, I don't agree with most of his political ideas.🙂
Specifically, with what political views of Kerry's do you disagree? Can you give some examples?

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Originally posted by bbarr
Specifically, with what political views of Kerry's do you disagree? Can you give some examples?
Lets see.
1.I disagree with him on Healthcare. I don't want socialized medicine.
2. Gepharts endoresment. What a Clown.
3. Tax cuts. I pay enough of them right now.
4. His wishy washy position on Iraq. First he votes for it then he is against it when the political winds change. I respect anyones opinion on the Iraq issue, whether for or against it, but be consistent. He jumped on the anti Iraq issue because that is all the Democrats have to complain about right now.
5. His claim to get more jobs in the US. Anybody knows that the Pres. can't give jobs. That the owners of the big companies are the ones that hire and they are sending the jobs overseas because they can get cheaper labor. Do I like that? No. But jobs have left this country in the last 15 years under Rep. and Dem. administrations. Face it we can argue politics till we are blue in the face, but the fact is all political cronies are a bunch of crooks. In closing, all i can say is vote your preference in November. That is your right. Use it.😵

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Originally posted by slimjim
What about Tony Blair? I believe your country thought Saddam Hussein had the WMD's also. As for Bush's military record he spent more days in uniform than Clinton ever spent wearing one. While Pres. Bush has upset me on occasion. I also give him credit where credit is due. What do you think Iraq was better off with Saddam in power? I know most Europeans lea ...[text shortened]... ry, I respect his service to the country but, I don't agree with most of his political ideas.🙂
Blair is in trouble with many people doubting his credibilty. Little Johnnie Howard in Australia is looking like dog tucker for the next election as well.

Bush is not the first Amercian president to find a cushy place in times of war. Reagan made movies all through WWII. I have more respect for a man who dodges the draft than one who fervently supports the war but puts himself in a position where other take the riks.

Old Bush was no coward - he was a brave and decorated pilot.

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Originally posted by steerpike
Blair is in trouble with many people doubting his credibilty. Little Johnnie Howard in Australia is looking like dog tucker for the next election as well.

Bush is not the first Amercian president to find a cushy place in times of war. Reagan made movies all through WWII. I have more respect for a man who dodges the draft than one who fervently supports ...[text shortened]... tion where other take the riks.

Old Bush was no coward - he was a brave and decorated pilot.
Well what about Bill Clinton. He protested the war which that is his right. But when he became president he sent troops in harms way to Bosnia, Haiti, and Kosova. Rather hypocritcal wouldn't you say?

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Originally posted by steerpike
Blair is in trouble with many people doubting his credibilty. Little Johnnie Howard in Australia is looking like dog tucker for the next election as well.
I'm not sure how much real trouble Blair is in though. Recently he is making a right mess of judging the public mood and failing to spin things in his favour.
Yet the opposition is pathetic. Even with Blair repeatedly shooting himself in the foot he is favourite to take the next election.
I haven't seen any polls for a while but are the Tories cathcing up? Of course they missed their opportunity by squabbling amongst themselves.
The local and European elections this year should be interesting.

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Originally posted by slimjim
Well what about Bill Clinton. He protested the war which that is his right. But when he became president he sent troops in harms way to Bosnia, Haiti, and Kosova. Rather hypocritcal wouldn't you say?
Agree Clinton was a hypocrite.. Isn't it funny how leaders love to strut around in front of the military but kept well out of the way when there was personal danger and hardship?

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Originally posted by Varg
I'm not sure how much real trouble Blair is in though. foot he is favourite to take the next election.
I haven't seen any polls for a while but are the Tories cathcing up? Of course they missed their opportunity by squabbling amongst themselves.
The local and European elections this year should be interesting.
Not sure how the UK politics stack up but a majority of the voters thinking you are a liar is not a good position. Blair looked ready to dominate UK politics for years but now he looks tainted. Perhaps the weakness of the opposition and alternative Labour candidates will save hom. Any comments?

Mark Latham is havign a honeymoon period in Australia - current polls say he would unseat the PM in an election year.

Still, polls are only polls - only the vote counts. The point is both allies have not benefitted from their close association with Bush


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Originally posted by steerpike
Not sure how the UK politics stack up but a majority of the voters thinking you are a liar is not a good position. Blair looked ready to dominate UK politics for years but now he looks tainted. Perhaps the weakness of the opposition and alternative Labour candidates will save hom. Any comments?

Mark Latham is havign a honeymoon period in Australia - cur ...[text shortened]... ounts. The point is both allies have not benefitted from their close association with Bush


The weakness of the (official Tory) opposition is a major factor in Westminster elections, not least because Bliar and 'New Labour' have nicked most of their policies.
It'll be interesting to see how the party which is being formed from the anti-war movement (in England and Wales) does in the European elections this year - that'll be a useful indicator of how much ground Bliar has lost to the left.
Before, people have voted for Bliar because he's less nasty than the old Tories. I'll be interested to see how things develop when there's a left-wing alternative.
In Scotland, the left alternative, assuming you count the greens and some of the independants, got about 20 seats in the Scottish Parliament.

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Originally posted by Redmike
The weakness of the (official Tory) opposition is a major factor in Westminster elections, not least because Bliar and 'New Labour' have nicked most of their policies.
It'll be interesting to see how the party which is being formed from the anti-war movement (in England and Wales) does in the European elections this year - that'll be a useful indicator ...[text shortened]... ou count the greens and some of the independants, got about 20 seats in the Scottish Parliament.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Lib Dems pulling in around 20-25% of the votes at the next election. Still think Labour will retain control though.

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