17 Mar 03
Originally posted by kirksey957Been to New York city lately? I'm willing to bet that it's easier to find a stripper or whore in your home town of Louisville.
Translation: "How can the UN take action against the fascist Americans when there are so many whores and strippers in New York?" Kirk
-mike
17 Mar 03
Originally posted by nktwildThis is a foolish oversimplification. You may not agree with everything that America does (I'm an American and I certainly don't) but it does nothing but hurt your argument to say things like this. Look around the world at countries like China, that routinely kills newborn children to parents who have more than one child, or Saudi Arabia, where stoning women who are not wearing traditional Islamic dress is common practice, or Russia, which has for years been carrying out an extermination campaign in Chechnya, and ask yourself if you really believe what you said, or if it was solely for rhetorical purposes.
yup, sorry guys but america is the most evil country on this world
-mike
03 Apr 03
Originally posted by UncleAdamhttp://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=393458
...and cluster bombs are not designed to target civilians ( I dont know where you got that idea) he wouldnt use them over there because there Military is cowardly hiding in the citys
"The wailing children, the young women with breast and leg wounds, the 10 patients upon whom doctors had to perform brain surgery to remove metal from their heads, talk of the days and nights when the explosives fell "like grapes" from the sky. Cluster bombs, the doctors say – and the detritus of the air raids around the hamlets of Nadr and Djifil and Akramin and Mahawil and Mohandesin and Hail Askeri shows that they are right.
Were they American or British aircraft that showered these villages with one of the most lethal weapons of modern warfare? The 61 dead who have passed through the Hillah hospital since Saturday night cannot tell us. Nor can the survivors who, in many cases, were sitting in their homes when the white canisters opened high above their village, spilling thousands of bomblets into the sky, exploding in the air, soaring through windows and doorways to burst indoors or bouncing off the roofs of the concrete huts to blow up later in the roadways."
cluster bombs kill indiscriminately. cluster bombs kill civilians
03 Apr 03
Originally posted by redlentilsI said "cluster bombs are not designed to target civilians" I didnt say they didnt kill civilians, I wish they didnt use cluster bombs but they do.
http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=393458
"The wailing children, the young women with breast and leg wounds, the 10 patients upon whom doctors had to perform brain surgery to remove metal from their heads, talk of the days and nights when the explosives fell "like grapes" from the sky. Cluster bombs, the doctors say – and t ...[text shortened]... ater in the roadways."
cluster bombs kill indiscriminately. cluster bombs kill civilians
04 Apr 03
hi adam,
i wasn't trying to make a dig at you about the use of these bombs. its just that it upsets me the propaganda by the military, coupled with the lack of reporting in much of the press, of the effects of these weapons. its like the shells that they use against tanks that contain depleted uranium. DU is now causing cancer in kids in iraq. it is implicated in the gulf war syndrome that many US and UK soldiers experienced from the first gulf war. (see www.cadu.org.uk ) the military is well aware of the health risks. DU munitions are not "designed" to target civilians and cause cancer, but they do. they are weapons that are indiscriminate and kill civilians. when the media is full of rhetoric about "smart bombs" (so smart they have missed iraq completely and hit two other countries) and of how the people of iraq our not the enemy then i think that it is important that the politicians/military are held accountable for the methods they use and the disinformation they supply.
05 Apr 03
Originally posted by legionnaireExcuse me, I may be a bit of a fool, but how can a country be evil? I believe "evil" is a a property assigned to ACTIONS on the basis of some moral axioms.
This is a foolish oversimplification. You may not agree with everything that America does (I'm an American and I certainly don't) but it does nothing but hurt your argument to say things like this. Look around the world at countries like China, that routinely kills newborn children to parents who have more than one child, or Saudi Arabia, where stoni ...[text shortened]... rself if you really believe what you said, or if it was solely for rhetorical purposes.
-mike
05 Apr 03
Originally posted by royalchickenWell, I don't think you're a fool. I would point out a little known fact to you as an example of how a county may be "evil". The much toted US "Bunker Buster" bombs are frequently being hailed as a precision weapon that infilcts the majority of its damage to the underground target and not the civilian population. What a lot of people don't take the time to learn is what our bombs are made of. In the case of the
Excuse me, I may be a bit of a fool, but how can a country be evil? I believe "evil" is a a property assigned to ACTIONS on the basis of some moral axioms.
Bunker Buster it is the casing that bothers me. There are two common compounds that can be used as the casing for such a bomb that would resist the impact force and heat while busting through tons of rock at Mach 2. One of the possible compounds melts at about 600 degrees, the other at about 1300. Naturally, we use the 1300 resistant compound. You know what that compound is? Used plutonium. That's right. Used plutonium (which is still very radioactive). Upon impact, the casing becomes vaporized to 0.5 microns.
Care to take a guess at the cause of "Gulf War" sickness? Like in the last war? I don't want to sound like a conspirator or anything. You can look up the facts for yourself. If it helps in reference, the bomb is made under contract from Lockheed.
Anyway, my point is that there was an alternative compound (what it was escapes me at the moment, but I will state it if I ever remember) and yet we chose to use plutonium. Ethical?