23 Feb 05
Originally posted by elvendreamgirlThere are three issues here. The first is whether Jackson is weird. The second is whether he is a child molester. The third is whether he is a whiner.
I am just sick to death of hearing Michael Jackson whine about the fact that he never had a childhood so that is why he has all the toys, the zoo, the carnival, and all the other crap. There nothing wrong with being childlike, but he is the antithesis of childlike. He is a calculating child molester who is taking the childhood away from his young vi ...[text shortened]... led Peter Pan whom he wishes to be. He needs to grow up and take responsibility for his actions.
I think nearly everyone agrees that the first is true. I think most people would probably agree that the third is also true.
However, it may just be possible that the first is true without the second being true, indeed, that the first is *so* true, that, despite all the circumstantial evidence, the second is not true after all. He could platonically adore kids in some sort of extremely anomalous but perfectly innocent way. I wouldn't bet on it, but we can't be certain that he isn't *that* weird.
After all, given the other sorts of stuff he's into--all those chromatic and structural alterations to his appearance over the years--might he not just be that weird?
23 Feb 05
Originally posted by VandalizerI think the reason he didn't pay out his time was that he couldn't. Before it was a private case wich can be settled out of court for cash. This time it's the state prosecuting him in a criminal trial so there's no way to settle - it's guilty or not guilty.
Michael Jackson? I just can't understand why he didn't pay out this time. Must be going broke, and if he carries on acting like that he'll be totally bankrupt before lunchtime.
(nb. for the record, I highly suspect he is guilty, but anyone who claims to be 100% sure he is is deluding themselves. We don't know him, we don't know the details of the case(s), we just know the scraps that the media feed to us and draw the conclusions that we want to be true from our own bias)
23 Feb 05
From everything that I have read or watched about MJ, he has created his own fantasy world, and hired all these people to enforce the laws of that world. He has no idea of what reality is, and I wouldn't be suprised if he actually belives there is nothing wrong with what he does. When his choildren were born, he was allowed to take the babies straight from the delivery room to his homoe. Do you think any other person would be allowed to do that?
23 Feb 05
Anyone see the famous interview where the boy starting talking about how he slept in MJ's bed? The look on MJ's face was priceless. You could almost see him trying to do a jedi mind trick on the kid... "Please Stop!" " No, not the bed" "Ohh, maybe nobody caught what the kid just said" "Just keep smiling.."
Never saw so much fear on a man before...
23 Feb 05
Hey I have a joke for you.......
Person 1: Hey did you hear Michael Jackson died?
Person 2: What no way? How did he do that?
Person 1: Yeah, food poisoning.
Person 2: From what?
Person 1: He ate a five year old wiener.
hahahaha
Sorry I know it was a little crude and insensitive but that where I stand with MJ
23 Feb 05
Originally posted by elvendreamgirlyeah, I think he has created his own world with his own rules to hide from the 'real' one. And you are right that many pedophiles have a twisted perspective so that they can't see that what they're doing is wrong. But just because someone has created a world with their rules doesn't mean that those rules includes sex with children. Isn't is just as possible that his only good memories are from his early childhood, so he's trying to hold onto that great feeling to be a trouble free kid and that involves doing kid friends and doing kid stuff like having sleepovers?
From everything that I have read or watched about MJ, he has created his own fantasy world, and hired all these people to enforce the laws of that world. He has no idea of what reality is, and I wouldn't be suprised if he actually belives there is nothing wrong with what he does. When his choildren were born, he was allowed to take the babies straigh ...[text shortened]... from the delivery room to his homoe. Do you think any other person would be allowed to do that?
I'm not saying he's 'normal' and I'm not saying that he's innocent, but just because someone is wierd in their relationship with kids doesn't necessasarily make them a pedo.
nb. on the babies thing - in the UK I think you are allowed to go home 12 hours after giving birth, provided the baby is doing well. If you could show you have good enough health care at your home I can imagine that this time might be shortened as long as the transfer did not endanger the child.
23 Feb 05
Originally posted by belgianfreakAccording to MJ, he was allowed to walk out of the delivery room within minutes of the birth with the baby. The whole idea of buying a baby aand excluding the mother from contact with the baby is shocking. Of course, the women who sold their babies for millions to MJ are to blame as well.
yeah, I think he has created his own world with his own rules to hide from the 'real' one. And you are right that many pedophiles have a twisted perspective so that they can't see that what they're doing is wrong. But just because someone has created a world with their rules doesn't mean that those rules includes sex with children. Isn't is just a ...[text shortened]... n imagine that this time might be shortened as long as the transfer did not endanger the child.
24 Feb 05
Originally posted by elvendreamgirl"straight from the delivery room to his homoe" - he he, Freudian slip?
From everything that I have read or watched about MJ, he has created his own fantasy world, and hired all these people to enforce the laws of that world. He has no idea of what reality is, and I wouldn't be suprised if he actually belives there is nothing wrong with what he does. When his choildren were born, he was allowed to take the babies straigh ...[text shortened]... from the delivery room to his homoe. Do you think any other person would be allowed to do that?
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24 Feb 05
Originally posted by PawnokeyholeThis argument gets my vote.
There are three issues here. The first is whether Jackson is weird. The second is whether he is a child molester. The third is whether he is a whiner.
I think nearly everyone agrees that the first is true. I think most people would probably agree that the third is also true.
However, it may just be possible that the first is true without the seco ...[text shortened]... and structural alterations to his appearance over the years--might he not just be that weird?
1. Yes
2. Let the court decide
3. Yes