I timed Hushpuppy out on two tourney games today. I didn't want to penalize him for having an illness or family matter that kept him from finishing our games.
I don't know if the allegations about him using a chess engine are true or not. I do believe that without honor - we are nothing. What possible satisfaction could someone have knowing that they won a game using a computer or book. They are only cheating themselves.
Originally posted by mtn2topNothing wrong with books... don't fall for thinking that is che@ing, it is not in this type of chess.
I timed Hushpuppy out on two tourney games today. I didn't want to penalize him for having an illness or family matter that kept him from finishing our games.
I don't know if the allegations about him using a chess engine are true or ...[text shortened]... ame using a computer or book. They are only cheating themselves.
Be sure to add to your profile that you don't want to play games using books, add " No Books Please " to your game names.... but don't call that che@ing. It is not.
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Originally posted by PhlabibitI don't think you can tell your opponents not to use books in tournies. Fair enough if it is a friendly challenge, but defo not in competitive games. I'd like to hear what any of the top 20 would say if you told them not to use books/databases in your games with them.
Nothing wrong with books... don't fall for thinking that is che@ing, it is not in this type of chess.
Be sure to add to your profile that you don't want to play games using books, add " No Books Please " to your game names.... but don't call that che@ing. It is not.
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Originally posted by RagnorakThat is where that 'please' comes in.
I don't think you can tell your opponents not to use books in tournies. Fair enough if it is a friendly challenge, but defo not in competitive games. I'd like to hear what any of the top 20 would say if you told them not to use books/databases in your games with them.
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What's the difference between using a computer and a book during a game with someone? The best reader or referencer wins? It seems like splitting hairs to me. It's not your brain but someone else's behind the moves recorded in some external medium.
You're not allowed to use a book in a live tourney - so why is it alright here?
Originally posted by mtn2topThis is not a 'live tourney'
What's the difference between using a computer and a book during a game with someone? The best reader or referencer wins? It seems like splitting hairs to me. It's not your brain but someone else's behind the moves recorded in some external medium.
You're not allowed to use a book in a live tourney - so why is it alright here?
This is "correspondence chess". Don't get me wrong, I felt the same way when I came here. Now, when I play higher rated players... or agree with another user... I whip out the book and do some study. It is not cheating here, and it will help your game. Most all my moves here are mine, and I know the ones that are not by either game title or player played.
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Originally posted by PhlabibitSo it's considered alright to reference a book for moves during a tourney here?
This is not a 'live tourney'
This is "correspondence chess". Don't get me wrong, I felt the same way when I came here. Now, when I play higher rated players... or agree with another user... I whip out the book and do some study. It is not cheating here, and it will help your game. Most all my moves here are mine, and I know the ones that are not by either game title or player played.
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Originally posted by mtn2topIt sure is... but don't use a chess engine to pick your moves. Data is fine, engine picking the move from data is not. Don't mix them up.
So it's considered alright to reference a book for moves during a tourney here?
There might be many book moves for a game, don't let the engine pick it.
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Originally posted by mtn2topI try to avoid forced games.... I do play a few tourneys... I do play a few clans. Other than that, I like to play the kind (and evil) people I meet here.
I appreciate your response. That just doesn't seem right to me to use any type of external data for a tourney game. That sure gives me a different perpective on high ranked players here. I never considered that I was playing a reference book in some of these tourney games.
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You're right. I looked up the official rules for correspondence chess.
http://www.uschess.org/cc/ccrules.php
It's right there under rule number 3.
I can also see where internet chess is also like a live match. It's something between the two (correspondence and live match play).
Perhaps they should consider "no book or periodical" tourneys to seperate the live players from the scholars in some matches.
Again, thanks for the responses. I definitely learned something about chess at this site from this thread.
