04 Jul 22
We can claim anything here.
members of Mensa could offer to give their membership number, so that at least other Mensanians could verify that. But it is personal infromation.
I have a certifed IQ, but that would be personal, too (and you wouldn't believe me anyway).
Famous saying: "IQ is what the IQ test measures"
04 Jul 22
@very-rusty saidNot directly. Chess ability needs a lot of training.
Would IQ help you as a chess player? 🙂
-VR
@ponderable saidThe thing about IQ tests is this: if a person composes a symphony at the age of 4, it is pretty certain that he will score highly on an IQ test, but the reverse is not true: if a person scores highly on an IQ test, it is not a good predictor whether he will compose a symphony (ever).
We can claim anything here.
members of Mensa could offer to give their membership number, so that at least other Mensanians could verify that. But it is personal infromation.
I have a certifed IQ, but that would be personal, too (and you wouldn't believe me anyway).
Famous saying: "IQ is what the IQ test measures"
Einstein is considered one of the greatest geniuses of all time. But he was actually rather weak in math (other people did much of the mathematical work on his theory). What he was particularly gifted at was imagination, and there is no test for imagination.
I'm more interested in a person's EQ.
@ponderable saidI would believe you. If you are a chemist you will have solid IQ I’m sure.
We can claim anything here.
members of Mensa could offer to give their membership number, so that at least other Mensanians could verify that. But it is personal infromation.
I have a certifed IQ, but that would be personal, too (and you wouldn't believe me anyway).
Famous saying: "IQ is what the IQ test measures"
The answer to this sort of question in the thread to tile is very dependent on how one measures “intelligence”. I have known a few high end IQ scorers who struggle with what would be considered creative literacy and sometimes with more complex social interactions.
The key question is: What is “intelligence”?
Look at these people who can solve a rubic cube in less they minute, some can do two cubes at once. It’s off the scale mental dexterity. But of what use is it in the wider world or living, earning, socialising, progressing, procreation etc?
Is the best measure and explanation of intelligence then a more nebulous definition which is tested by a range of cognitive, social and resourcefulness data?
@divegeester saidClearly, there are different kinds of intelligence, not all of which are quantifiable. The sort of intelligence which can be tested and quantified tends to be pattern recognition: what is the next number in the series a,c,f, ...?, or looking at shapes from two angles and the testee has to visualize what the third perspective would be. On principle, I refuse to answer the first sort of question (what is the next number in any arbitrary series?) on the grounds that there is no proof that for some algorithm any number at all could not follow from a,c,f, and therefore all of the numbers offered as possible answers in the test could be the next number in some series. I just could not be bothered to figure out an algorithm which generates n for each of the possible given answers to a,c,f.
I would believe you. If you are a chemist you will have solid IQ I’m sure.
The answer to this sort of question in the thread to tile is very dependent on how one measures “intelligence”. I have known a few high end IQ scorers who struggle with what would be considered creative literacy and sometimes with more complex social interactions.
The key question is: What ...[text shortened]... a more nebulous definition which is tested by a range of cognitive, social and resourcefulness data?
My gripe about IQ tests is that seeing a pattern everyone else would see, given enough time and a hint, is not very interesting. The people who win Nobel prizes are not the ones who see the same patterns everyone else sees, but the ones who see (or invent) wholly new patterns no one else did.
My caveat about Nobel prizes as a measure of intelligence is this: put three Nobel laureates and three Aborigines in the Outback; come back a year later and see which group survived. And isn't that too a valid demonstration of intelligence?
@moonbus saidThere are loads of problems implying anything from IQ scores. In fact there are loads of problems implying anything from any area of strength, whether it happens to be measured on the IQ test or not, since 14% of the population show sufficient variation between different areas of brain function, for the weak areas to show up as a specific learning difficulty such as dyslexia, dyscalculia, dyspraxia etc. Things that appear related often go on in different areas of the brain, so for example mathematical reasoning is not a reliable predictor of speed or accuracy at arithmetic.
The thing about IQ tests is this: if a person composes a symphony at the age of 4, it is pretty certain that he will score highly on an IQ test, but the reverse is not true: if a person scores highly on an IQ test, it is not a good predictor whether he will compose a symphony (ever).
Einstein is considered one of the greatest geniuses of all time. But he was actually rathe ...[text shortened]... d at was imagination, and there is no test for imagination.
I'm more interested in a person's EQ.
@very-rusty saidI think your IQ might be greater than your weight in kilograms but not in pounds
LOL....They work out to the same! 🙂
-VR