Originally posted by belgianfreakWhile I feel my comment was trivial to the point of almost non-existent I do take you point 🙂
I know your heart is in th eright place, but please try not to comment directly on games that are still in progress as any comment, even just support, can change the outcome.
Thanks
Jon
I shall be more discreet in future...
Originally posted by saffa73OK, I know that in this specific case you did not listen nor need the advise that you did not need to resign (as your oppo had suggested). But imagine a situation where you (or another) thought that the game was lost and someone else said "hey, don't quit yet, your position is good". This would make you look again at your game harder and maybe find something that you had missed before, therefore influencing the game. Regardless of the game that this thread was started over, talking in any context about how good a persons position is in a game that is still in progress is considered bad.
Exactly what I said, We ARE NOT commenting on the position / analysis etc.
Originally posted by Simonmthanks, I wasn't trying to have a go at you, just to make a point of etiquet (one that I broke when I started here). I apopreciate you seeing it as that and not as me attacking you 🙂
While I feel my comment was trivial to the point of almost non-existent I do take you point 🙂
I shall be more discreet in future...
Looking forward to hearing more from you
Jon
I would like to see rules governing player relations, such as those established by USCF, enforced. Playing chess online I have been hacked, cursed, called names, told to move, and cheated. By cheated I mean I had a 20 min. set time changed to a min., and other such things. Such behavior is unsportsmanlike. Such behavior could result in a ejection from the game in a team sport and a penality to the team. In online chess it results in a win for the cheater. I can truely say I have been treated better by e mail players. E mail players treat me badly with their Queen and not their mouth, so far.
Originally posted by AcolyteWhoa, whoa whoa! You mean that once upon a time on RHP you could offer a draw to your opponenet without having to send a move? I wonder how that little detail managed to slip through the cracks?
A similar phenomenon is when an opponent who's clearly losing repeatedly offers a draw, or does so when there's still plenty of life in the game. While there aren't rules against this AFAIK, it's very unsporting, and I think Chris & Russ had to do something to stop people making draw offers without moves (and thus prolonging the match forever).
All situations vary, of course, depending on remaining pieces and position, but I have to disagree with the majority on this one. I think that there are times where a polite request for resignation is occasionally appropriate.
We all have likely been plagued with annoying games where an opponent is substantially down with no chance of winning and no reasonable chance of a draw by stalemate/repetition other than by the utter stupidity (or inexperience) of an opponent. And, while it's perfectly legal to play on until checkmate (or other result), I think it's bad form to run around with your king playing peek-a-boo.
For example, If I'm up a rook and a piece (or more!) against an opponent with just his king and no chance of queening, and he runs around, making moves once a week prolonging the virtually inevitable defeat, I think that's totally outside the spirit of the game and asking politely for his resignation is not totally out of the question. The game of chess is about simulated warfare, a battle of two armies for victory, or in desparate times, truce. Prolonging a game with a foregone conclusion on a site like this where people can go 7, 14 or 28 days between moves is just bad sportsmanship.
I know the two arguments against this. 1) "As long as I have not lost, I have a chance." And technically this is right. I recently won a game by sneak attack while suffering very poor position and down two pawns in the end game. Anything can happen: a cinderella punch, so to speak. But making moves in other games, skipping over the game you KNOW you've lost is really lousy.
The other argument 2) "I want to learn how to win in a particular endgame circumstance, and I don't mind losing to find out." This argument has more merit, and if the opponent is new to the game, then fine, let him/her say "Please bear with me, I want to see how you do this." Let them move promptly. But, many times, these opponents know perfectly well how to checkmate an opponent while up two rooks, and they are just wasting everyone's time.
We have to remember that sometimes opponents are so inexperienced that they don't know when it is appropriate to resign, and a gentle reminder, I think, is ok.
For those of us who subscribe, we hardly notice these inconveniences. We start more games and sometimes don't even know which games are going unbelievably slowly. But for those who don't or can't subscribe, having a game tied up in silliness just discourages them from joining.
Let me be clear: I think it's fair (because it's within the rules) to play until the bitter end, but I think that, at times, it's lame to prolong a game with an obvious conclusion. To ask, politely, once, for a resignation is, to me, acceptable. If it is refused, then so be it, and play it out.
Nemesio
Originally posted by nemesioYou make very valid points and I agree with you on all accounts.But in this case the request was not made very polite.And the position cannot be discussed before the game ends.
All situations vary, of course, depending on remaining pieces and position, but I have to disagree with the majority on this one. I think that there are times where a polite request for resignation is occasionally appropriate.
We all have likely been plagued with annoying games where an opponent is substantially down with no chance of winning and no rea ...[text shortened]... signation is, to me, acceptable. If it is refused, then so be it, and play it out.
Nemesio
Sir Lot.
And I say again.
We are NOT discussing the position.
But glad most agree on the impoliteness of the resignation request.
Have had a message from my opponent regarding the issue...
Subject: whine?
so you did a thread about that comment of mine. have fun. all I am saying is that I'm fed up with people who think they have some chances even though they're a rook down. As a 2000+ rated player OTB I do know how to make a checkmate etc, even though you would come out with fritz 8, you couldn't save that game. pfffht. and I know you're not going to resign at all but this is isn't anything new for me. have fun you all here in red hot pawn who play until there is a checkmate on board. I know you're going to post this one also but guess what: I don't care. just post it and let the other members talk about how rude etc etc etc I am. I just wonder what I am doing here. this is certainly not making me a better player by any means. actually my skills are just going backwards when playing with u guys. many do resign in here when I say so, though, in lost positions. That's why I'm going to use that sentence in the future also. It didn't work for you but it did to a bunch of other mem
Originally posted by saffa73I KNOW that on the whole we are not discussing the position. My original comment refered only to Simonm' comment that he'd looked at the board and that your position wasn't helpless. That's why I quoted his comment. That comment is talking about the game because he is giving his opinion as to the relative strengths of the 2 sides and as harmless as it might seem it is against etiquet to do so.
[b]And I say again.
We are NOT discussing the position.
I'll stop here because if you don't get this you're just not listening. If nothing else please take away that you shouldn't say anything about a game while it is in progress. Even something as nonspecific as "your doing well" could influence the game.
whilst i agree we are not discussing the game itself, i can see a reason why no details of an in progress game should be disscused.
for example this threed has attracted a lot of attention and somebody reading through might think gee that was rude, have a look at the game and then decide that he/she will assist saffa73 with a little private message. a weak argument but valid.
a slap on the wrist for 182 as i have posted on the thread.
and this post is by no means having a dig at saffa73 or anybody else who has posted.
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